Why do people worry about the elections?

Why do people insist on keeping up with politics. I thought people realized that we have no say in Presidential elections. It befuddles me when people still mention what Obama or Romney are doing or not doing. The president are only a public image. They don't make any decisions. Likewise, you don't make the decision the electoral college does.

Its because it really does matter, just not in the way people think.

your thinking leads to 30% voting, which is perfect for the Two party system.

They can throw out a few key token issues for the extremist to fight over and mean while they get to do what they want.

if the 70% that didn't vote got off their asses and did, well we might have a whole different America than the one we do now.

When you don't use your rights you lose them, which is clearly the case with the American political system.

Be the change you want, get out there and do something about it.

reply to post by benrl

if the 70% that didn't vote got off their asses and did, well we might have a whole different America than the one we do now.

If you could modify that to also include shutting off the idiot box and independently researching the candidates early in the cycle, and then focusing primarily on getting these involved during the primaries/caucuses, I would be in complete agreement.

As it stands, with most people only following perceived public opinion based on mainstream media and the movement of the political tides, even the 70% getting involved wouldn't do much good if it's only to pick between "a giant douche and a turd sandwich" to quote Southpark. We need more people paying attention and getting involved early in the cycle so we can push the good options into the general election, instead of seemingly always ending up with establishment picks.

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Its only a right if it has worth your voting has no worth because it does not count it does not count because the electoral college votes. If nobody voted their still going to elect a President. Keyword two party system... their's no big difference in Rep. or Dem. What about the Green, Citizen, Raza, National Socialist parties. When this government changes from a plutocracy to a democracy I will vote.

Originally posted by LordD
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Its only a right if it has worth your voting has no worth because it does not count it does not count because the electoral college votes. If nobody voted their still going to elect a President. Keyword two party system... their's no big difference in Rep. or Dem. What about the Green, Citizen, Raza, National Socialist parties. When this government changes from a plutocracy to a democracy I will vote.

I volunteered on the phone lines for RP.

Do you know how many calls ended with "Id vote for Ron Paul if he had a chance"

You continue on your path than, nothing I can say will change your mind.

Originally posted by LordD
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Its only a right if it has worth your voting has no worth because it does not count it does not count because the electoral college votes.

Yes and no. It's getting a little redundant having to point this out all the time, but only in 3 elections have the popular vote and electoral vote not gone to the same candidate - 1876 due to a political deal between the parties, 1888 due to an actual play on the electoral vote system, and 2000 due to SCOTUS stepping in and stopping the recount.

So, only one election had results based solely on the electoral college overriding the popular vote of the citizens.

If nobody voted their still going to elect a President. Keyword two party system... their's no big difference in Rep. or Dem. What about the Green, Citizen, Raza, National Socialist parties.

This is why EVERYONE should wake up and vote for the best candidate based on their history and policies, as compared to what badge they wear. And a perfect illustration of why people SHOULD get out there and get involved, especially early in the cycle. Get those good options up-front, and don't let the insiders and party loyalists who will *never* stop voting continue to shovel the same crap on us - let alone whatever we might end up with even if they did stop voting.

When this government changes from a plutocracy to a democracy I will vote.

Well, you and everyone else keep sitting on your hands, and I suppose you'll never have to worry about voting. We have to take the system back, not just shrug it off to get worse and worse, friend...

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by LordD
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Its only a right if it has worth your voting has no worth because it does not count it does not count because the electoral college votes. If nobody voted their still going to elect a President. Keyword two party system... their's no big difference in Rep. or Dem. What about the Green, Citizen, Raza, National Socialist parties. When this government changes from a plutocracy to a democracy I will vote.

I volunteered on the phone lines for RP.

Do you know how many calls ended with "Id vote for Ron Paul if he had a chance"

You continue on your path than, nothing I can say will change your mind.

My point exactly.

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This government is pass words its time for a revolution.

Originally posted by LordD
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This government is pass words its time for a revolution.

I fear that is what they want.

The resulting chaos would give rise to something I doubt we would like.

At least now they have to at least play act like they respect our rights.

Beware the agent provocateur...

reply to post by benrl
Well said and true, to both of you.

It's definitely time for a revolution, although I would much rather opt for the peaceful one which comes from people getting involved from the ground-up and setting things right once again. I don't yet think they've made the option impossible, and I'm glad for that since violent revolution is the inevitable other choice - and they have been preparing for that for quite some time now. I'd rather not roll the dice on that option if it can be avoided and we can once again have a form of government of, by, and for the people as compared to that geared towards politicians and bankers.

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How i would love to sit at the round table and talk it out. However, the time for that is long gone. Americas crimes against its own people and that of other nations has gone on for to long. Its time for a change.

reply to post by benrl


You are a walking oxymoron. An agent provocateur on a local scale would be bad but on a national scale that's exactly what this country needs. Cheek turning days are long gone.

reply to post by LordD


I don't think you understand the meaning of the word oxymoron, its a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms.

What is contradictory about my stance of if everyone voted, the Two party system would lose power.

At the very least they would be forced to confront the real issues as opposed to pandering to extremest.

The death of compromise and the polarization of the vocal minority is the root of the problem.

The lack of participation in the system is the cause of the issues, people like you who are too lazy to do anything other than bitch on an internet forum rather than taking a stand for the country they live in.

I am a staunch constitutionalists, I believe in the ideals laid out by our founders.

I believe that if we all exercised our rights it would see us through this mess.

I also believe that people like you could very well be the root cause of all these problems

Provocateurs that stir up the problem and demand refusal of the use of our very rights play into the current systems hands.

reply to post by benrl


When you don't use your rights you lose them, which is clearly the case with the American political system.
At least now they have to at least play act like they respect our rights.

"act" You cant lose what you don't have. That is all

Originally posted by LordD
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When you don't use your rights you lose them, which is clearly the case with the American political system.
At least now they have to at least play act like they respect our rights.

"act" You cant lose what you don't have. That is all

What happens during the chaos of a revolution, those that orchestrated it cease power.

My question is this, why are they marching blindly toward it, poking us at every turn, making the system so it seems hopeless.

ANSWER: Because its not Hopeless, they want you in effectual, they want the people who would fight them to feel helpless. Its what they want, they want things like Ruby ridge, they want Wacos, they want people to drag out into the streets to make an example of.

I fear the day all pretense is off, you should to.

reply to post by benrl


The reverse could be just as true. But you are still thinking to small its not just about America, its about the world. America is just the chest. We've been brainwashed to think that peaceful protest is the answer. Jesus MLK Gandhi

reply to post by LordD


Gandhi shamed a nation into drastic change... thats a bad example for your point.

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And MLK or Jesus didn't make drastic change...... keyword 'a nation' not the nation lol

Originally posted by LordD
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And MLK or Jesus didn't make drastic change...... keyword 'a nation' not the nation lol

Now your just being contentious.

Jesus, never advocated protest.

Mlk made a huge difference.

I just picked the most obvious fallacy in your examples.

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by LordD
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And MLK or Jesus didn't make drastic change...... keyword 'a nation' not the nation lol

Now your just being contentious.

Jesus, never advocated protest.

Mlk made a huge difference.

I just picked the most obvious fallacy in your examples.

i like your faith in the american government and people. I like your philosphy but theirs a lot of things you should look into, rethink, reevaluate and replace.