I am for the NWO!!!

With this thread I want to say that I decided to support the NWO now. But dont get the wrong idea yet, I am for the meritocratic NWO, not the one most common version discussed on ATS. Not the one said to be primarily engineered by the secret cabal government, worshiping alien annunakies and other stuff.

Consider the following, all we got today are government systems that are on average doing more demage to humanity than serving its growth. Whether an theocratic/monarch autoritariat, military junta, or sovyetist nations. Even democracy is also an abuse toward human values, promoted by the industrial capitalists. Since it (democracy) is an over simplified concept of human egality.

So, what do we propose to save mankind from those two extremes systems, which exploits human ignorance? The answer is of course meritocracy. But the question is, how many people is aware about the importance of this ideal, to rescue our future? How far do we have an understanding about the more details of Meritocracy?

AND HOW DOES THE SOCIETY LOOK LIKE IN A MERITOCRATIC SYSTEM?

Primarily it will consist of two main social class. The one with more awareness, and the other with lesser understandings. And lesser concern about social issues. But they shall not to be like our todays politicians. Their affection toward the problem of the masses should be genuine. But how do we measure genuinity? The matter of the fact is, we are actually naturaly already equiped with the ability to spot genuinity, since birth.

You dont believe me? Try to remember when you are still a small child, before you were brainwashed by society, and the media, and the public educational system. How were you back then? Are you still able to memorize? Dont you think all of this growing up stuff is somewhat overrated?

Yet I have another proposal to how to measure truthfulness or genuinity. I will also call it the measurement of intelligence or originality. Please dont misunderstand intellect, lets ask a question: would you consider plagiarism as a sign of true intelligence? Where does originality stand in this, then? The mainstream media and education is actually responsible to downgrade our understanding and disorientate us toward a biased definition of the true smart. As in "you cant consider it as arts, if it lacks of originality".

So how to measure intellect? Two of the traits that came across my mind were: THE SENSE OF HUMOUR, and THE ABILITY TO EMPATHY. I hope others could help me in redifining this, and add their thought in this. I think this is the crucial part of this theory/ideal.

You will wonder "why these two traits? Why "thes sense of humour" and "the ability to empathy"? I believe, both virtues are only present in the culitaved and "mature" soul. So to say. Anyone can act, anyone can do empty talks. But originality and genuinity can only be present in the selfaware and developed soul. And it is reflected of the two traits above. CMIIW (but please no masturbaterical pseudo intellectual futile debates, please, we are not retarded attention hoes, here) *pard the language*

I will add further into this, if a new idea strikes me.

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Perhaps still another question. But cant we just walk toward it in a slower phase, without the need to spring a revolt? Sure, why not, if no one is trying to hinder us by sustaining "dumbing down" programs and their other secret agendas. However, some are afraid this is what is going on right now. The greedy status quo does not seem to easily loosen their grasp of social control.

Okay, thats it for now. Happy reading, hope it adds something of use. Cheers people.

What exactly are you trying to say. In 4 short sentenses?

Originally posted by r2d246
What exactly are you trying to say. In 4 short sentenses?

meritocracy, genuinity, originality, bi-castes.

thats 4 words for you, thank you for entering

Cute...but, check out this story.

marshallbrain.com...

Terrafoam = NWO conditions

Australia Project = If we decided to work together.

You say you are for the NWO, but you really are not, you are for your own view of what a world order should be.

Capitalism was one form of meritocracy, in that those with good ideas where supposed to rise to the top.

Like Communism, Socialism, Democracy, republic and any other number of forms of government when you add the human element one will end up as corrupt as another. There will always be those who seek power, and they will use what ever system is in place to get it.

The main problem with a meritocracy is who assigns the value of things that have merit, you have your own set of standards.

I have my own, and believe me TPTB have their own...

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Cute...but, check out this story.

marshallbrain.com...

Terrafoam = NWO conditions

Australia Project = If we decided to work together.

Im not sure what you try to say. Droidism? Transhumanism? Could you be less sarcastic? Since, not everyone is as smart as you are

But, freedom is interconnected with originality. What kind of freedom can you possibly imagine without genuinity?

reply to post by coyote66


The best way to become 'original' is to never read anything. Later, once you've figured it all out, you can amuse yourself by reading, and realizing it's all been thought of before. Or play a musical instrument for years and years, never learning a popular single song, while laughing to meet your criterion of humor.

I hope you are feeling better. It is estimated that up to half the world has toxo plasmosis, which affects everyone differently, including thoughts of suicide. The medical community couldn't care less. Just rest assured a world anything is the last thing you want, or need. Too many freaks turned on by power, and the media aren't going to stop playing their music, not ever. It's what they do. The entire war on Liberty is a two pronged event. People who crave control weave webs while their talking tits do the marketing. One without the other is enough to kill the entire problem.

Where do the aspies fit in? Would you call your special child an 'aspie'? I think it's sick, and if there's one lesson that would be difficult to impart to the aspies, it would be in preventing them from throttling the parents who put them in that box. Oh, I've got my aspie waxing the alfy, he just loves repetitive movements! Just trying to stay on topic!

reply to post by davidmann


you mean i am the parent, placing those 2nd class citizens as aspies? wasnt my humour and empathetic standards not good enough for you people? or was it just insecurities?

i see some form of nihilism, so why are we still here then? what are we exactly suppose to do again, in this place and everything? to believe in god, i assume......

reply to post by benrl


Or perhaps here's the other version..... You are just scared to lose momentum, you are scared that your delusion will decompose, and your influence ceases to take effect on your reality.... Your dimensional manipulations disolving in thin air? Is that it what you people are so afraid of??

It will inevitably become inefficient beurocratic heaven, full of intrigue and corruption.
Look at UN.
When there is no competition, everything degenerates.

reply to post by coyote66
WHICH one there is so many ?

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
It will inevitably become inefficient beurocratic heaven, full of intrigue and corruption.
Look at UN.
When there is no competition, everything degenerates.

And why is that? Its not a closed system, it should be very open and transparent at its most ideal manifestation. What part of meritocracy did you not understand? It is based on real world performance and genuine skill/understanding, rather than empty rhetoric.

Its nothing like the closed caste system in India based upon bloodlines, and not like the medieval feodal system in Europe. One family member could be of the higher caste, yet another inidividual from the same family, maybe from the same parents, could be member of the lower caste. Since of his lack of skill or understanding. So he will serve at working slots that doesnt require high skill/technique/creativity/originality/agility/understanding/etc. Serving as a regular infantry is an example. Or other low level labour. His adventage would be the little responsibility sense he has to answer, and the only need to thinker for himself alone.

I also forgot to mention this in the OP, but the lower caste has no political rights. No vote rights in the elections, and of course no right to be elected to the higher offices. This is the key point of this ideal meritocracy I was proposing. Since those with lack of political understanding is constantly used by the current elite to support bad politics and bad decisions/programs/issues. Since they are easily seduced with cheap political promises, and too by empty rhetorics. This is the reason why our todays politics are so messy.

Originally posted by The Utopian Penguin
reply to post by coyote66

 

WHICH one there is so many ?

What are you refering at?

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My point in all of that was not to be sarcastic at all. I was simply using another medium to illustrate something for you that really isn't worth the effort to explain through argument or text. You assume that a meritocracy will arise in such a situation, even when all of the evidence to the contrary stands in your face. The fictional "NWO" or whatever boogeyman people desire to point at in relation to global control has the features of a bi-segmented society. There are two classes of people. The control class, and the cattle. At best, in the story I presented, the cattle class is essentially trapped within prison like conditions where in which there is little to no freedom of movement or self determination. The cattle are worthless and eyesores to the Master class, and therefore are better kept away under lock and key. The life blood of humanity would simply be controlled and contained in the best of such a scenario. That's assuming machine labor exists. If not, then situations will arise that will give way to slave like means of production where in which the choice available to the cattle class involves enslavement or death, where wages are dictated and controlled by aristocratic corporate industries. In such a bi-segmented society social mobility wouldn't be a notion to be entertained, as the gap of wealth would be insurmountable even by the hardest working of individuals...and why would it need to be? Once a populace is numbed to a certain extent, then revolution becomes an inside joke to the Master class. There would be no reason to allow individuals to gain opportunity or share in the spoils of the "meritocracy"...such a thing simply wouldn't exist.

At best...well...at best self determination wins out and...I don't feel like going into that. An example was given and I'm squeezing in the time to look at this thread just to let you know that I wasn't being cheeky.

reply to post by coyote66

And why is that? Its not a closed system, it should be very open and transparent at its most ideal manifestation. What part of meritocracy did you not understand? It is based on real world performance and genuine skill/understanding, rather than empty rhetoric.

Yeah, magical force will uplift capable and goodwilling individuals into power position. Not some beurocrat in office 209/2 that is responsible for picking right candidate ,who is a friend with beurocrat in office 22/4 that is responsible for proper control of transperancy and lack of corruption but has a nephew that really likes to be in certain important position but lacks everything that is needed.
Oh, i wonder how it will develop.... Forget all the common experience of Human race stating that after few years those system start to rot.
And i would also love to see how objective the selector system (with beurocrats,who else) would be in that 2 caste society. For some reasons mentioned above, i see it all go south really fast. Moral,social and scientific issues aside, i would rather live in Iran (and i would really hate to live there) and not in that NWO.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
My point in all of that was not to be sarcastic at all. I was simply using another medium to illustrate something for you that really isn't worth the effort to explain through argument or text. You assume that a meritocracy will arise in such a situation, even when all of the evidence to the contrary stands in your face. The fictional "NWO" or whatever boogeyman people desire to point at in relation to global control has the features of a bi-segmented society. There are two classes of people. The control class, and the cattle. At best, in the story I presented, the cattle class is essentially trapped within prison like conditions where in which there is little to no freedom of movement or self determination. The cattle are worthless and eyesores to the Master class, and therefore are better kept away under lock and key. The life blood of humanity would simply be controlled and contained in the best of such a scenario. That's assuming machine labor exists. If not, then situations will arise that will give way to slave like means of production where in which the choice available to the cattle class involves enslavement or death, where wages are dictated and controlled by aristocratic corporate industries. In such a bi-segmented society social mobility wouldn't be a notion to be entertained, as the gap of wealth would be insurmountable even by the hardest working of individuals...and why would it need to be? Once a populace is numbed to a certain extent, then revolution becomes an inside joke to the Master class. There would be no reason to allow individuals to gain opportunity or share in the spoils of the "meritocracy"...such a thing simply wouldn't exist.

At best...well...at best self determination wins out and...I don't feel like going into that. An example was given and I'm squeezing in the time to look at this thread just to let you know that I wasn't being cheeky.

No no, that is not the case at all. That is probably how you want the situation to be. Since people tend to see the world more like how they are instead how the world really is

There are no human right violation. You use the master-slave distiction (is this how your psyche works?), I prefer the term POLITICAL CLASS and APOLITICAL CLASS. Since not everyone is interested in politics very much. Some people are ignorant and they would elect anyone in return for money and other short term rewards. And do not care what happens afterwards, in short, they are just too lazy to think about politics.

Its not a closed society, but rather an opensource one. Anyone can learn what they want to learn, and there is no restrictions at all. The intellectual right of all citizens are guaranteed by the law. Its only their political rights, which is limited, for the sake of the society itself. But if they somehow could proof themself politicaly capable, they will be granted political rights like other members of the POLITICAL CASTE. Its nothing like the ancient roman patrician-plebian-slave system. Not at all. But if they are granted the right to do politics, they will also receive obligations and responsibility in return, thus to work for the betterment of society.

Does this sound very absurd to you, or are you simply just being ignorant? Please be my guest, say whatever your opinion might be.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by coyote66

 

Yeah, magical force will uplift capable and goodwilling individuals into power position. Not some beurocrat in office 209/2 that is responsible for picking right candidate ,who is a friend with beurocrat in office 22/4 that is responsible for proper control of transperancy and lack of corruption but has a nephew that really likes to be in certain important position but lacks everything that is needed.
Oh, i wonder how it will develop.... Forget all the common experience of Human race stating that after few years those system start to rot.
And i would also love to see how objective the selector system (with beurocrats,who else) would be in that 2 caste society. For some reasons mentioned above, i see it all go south really fast. Moral,social and scientific issues aside, i would rather live in Iran (and i would really hate to live there) and not in that NWO.

edit on 22-8-2012 by ZeroKnowledge because: (no reason given)

But that wont happen in a meritocracy, everything is valued by your skill and understanding. There will be no "family first" attitude. Beurocrates would each be free individuals, only obligating and respond to the betterment of society. There will be no particular political groups, factions, etc. Everything is subjected to transparancy.

Of course i am not saying about the liquidation of personal/private rights. Vice versa, private/personal rights would be above the common rights. The citizen sense of freedom and their human rights will have no boundaries at all, but the freedom and rights of the other citizens respectively. Does this sound good enough to you, will you please come back from Iran in the next flight?

Perhaps, there wont be even political parties. Even if, political parties should also be open source in its nature. It has to be transparent, not being dominated by old politician with no real accountable contribution to the society. Nothing is based upon myth, media directed opinion buildings and rhetorics anymore. But real deeds and open source knowledge based arguments.

There will also be no discrimination, not upon gender, color, belief, or whatever. Everyhing is based upon merit, ability and your level of understanding. Marx's classless society was purely utopian and imposible, but not a dual-classed society, divided upon political rights.

reply to post by coyote66


Great ideal. But even if you can 'mesure' intellect, how do you determine who is skilled or not ?
That can be easily done for simple or even complex things that humanity does for a long time, but take the economic crisis (I know in your world they do not happen, just an example) a lot of expert will have different views or ideas. Like the politics today, in Europe some are for the 'austerity' solution, we can see now that this is not a solution because it makes things worse, others thinks that an investment solution is better, using more money to create jobs and consummation and then, when the economy goes better, reimburse what was given and the debt that causes the crisis.

The problem is that a monetary union like Europe has never been done, so we can only have theoretical ideas of how it works and how to change it for working how it should. If someone does not understand well the problem, and has no examples, or experience to prove him his idea is wrong, he will think like someone who understand the problem and has a right idea (assuming they do not talk without thinking being right for good reasons) : ' I do not have experience to prove I'm right but I think I'm right '. The difference between the two ones is that one of them knows when he knows and the other thinks he knows even if he does not know.

Even in a NWO like you describe you will have people that are wrong and will be opposed to those that are right (or maybe they all can be wrong), so you have to determine who knows when he knows and the others. The solution can be experience, but people can disagree on what an experience means and still desagree on theory.

This leads to problems to describe who has skills and how to evaluate people. We all know that school results are not reprensatives for skill but the skill to answer well the question of an exam (a good memory can be enough, so a genuine one an have bad results but a lot of skills, does not apply for all possible study but for a lot).

Once people will rely on experience and theory together to determine what is a good solution, and once the ones underskilled will not try to do what they can't do well before they can do it well, maybe a 'meritocratic' NWO will be possible, but without that you will have a problem at a point, because some will want to take power and define what skill is, or some wrong people will think they're right and 'make war' to the others thinking they're doing what is best for all (and in a case like the economic crisis speeding up a country on the way to bankruptcy).

All that said, I'm for a meritoratic NWO like you describe, but it seems a little utopic right now (just a little).

PS : sorry for my english, not my mother language