Wake up: It's not just Akin

An excellent overview of the 'New' Rightwing social engineering agenda, one which should be kept in the open...

The truth is the "legitimate rape" comment made by U.S. Rep. Todd Akin -- as in pregnancy from "legitimate rape" is rare -- is not a GOP anomaly but rather another disturbing glimpse into the viewpoint too many social conservatives have about women's health and reproductive rights. And if abortion is not among the "real issues," why is the GOP platform committee considering adding a ban, with no mention of exceptions, to this year's to-do list?

Last March, in a discussion in the Kansas House about whether women purchase separate abortion-only policies, Republican state Rep. Pete DeGraaf suggested women should plan ahead for rape the way he keeps a spare tire. A few weeks later, Indiana state Rep. Eric Turner, a Republican, said some women might fake being raped in order to get free abortions.

Do you really want to elect these knuckleheads in the name of fiscal prudence? Don't you understand the GOP will disappoint you in no time at all?

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

www.cnn.com...

Please.... Take a moment and see how many Conservatives like me have NO shred of agreement and..starting to get serious feelings of dislike and voter anger, about Akin? If we want to start standing on bad statements and stupid remarks by a politician to judge a whole party, BOTH .....and I mean Democrats too.....are in a world of hurt. That can go places none of us really want to go and in a REAL BIG HURRY.

Fry Akin....perhaps...and by the damage that man seems to have done, I'm starting to agree about seeing him withdraw.

The ENTIRE Conservative or even just Officially Republican group of people in the nation?? For HIS remark?? (oh..and a few others, I see HuffPo and others dug up over long years). You have to be kidding. This is just absurd lengths to milk this guy's stupidity for.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Please.... Take a moment and see how many Conservatives like me have NO shred of agreement and..starting to get serious feelings of dislike and voter anger, about Akin? If we want to start standing on bad statements and stupid remarks by a politician to judge a whole party, BOTH .....and I mean Democrats too.....are in a world of hurt. That can go places none of us really want to go and in a REAL BIG HURRY.

Fry Akin....perhaps...and by the damage that man seems to have done, I'm starting to agree about seeing him withdraw.

The ENTIRE Conservative or even just Officially Republican group of people in the nation?? For HIS remark?? (oh..and a few others, I see HuffPo and others dug up over long years). You have to be kidding. This is just absurd lengths to milk this guy's stupidity for.

I don't think the OP and the article are talking about conservative voters, it seems to be more targeted toward GOP elected officials..

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Conservatives need stop kowtowing to liberals who get hysterical over every little thing that they dislike or disagree with. Liberals certainly don't have an apologetic tone when extremists amongst their wing come out of the wood works...and they shouldn't because no one is responsible for the words or actions of other adults. This is a major weakness of conservatives and it only gives power to liberals.

Furthermore, what he said was absolutely nothing to receive so much backlash over. Why is even alluding to the fact that false rape allegations DO occur so taboo?

reply to post by ErEhWoN


The GOP is full of people with low IQs. Birther conspiracy theory, "Real" rape, Muslim brotherhood infiltrating the USA, gay people are evil, Obama has communist policies, USA was founded as a Christian nation on and on and on.

reply to post by Charmed707

Furthermore, what he said was absolutely nothing to receive so much backlash over. Why is even alluding to the fact that false rape allegations DO occur so taboo?

He said women that endure real rape cannot get pregnant and that their body has a way of fighting it off. He is using his short bus biology to ensure women that get raped cannot get abortions. That IS why people are outraged over it.

Heeeey, look. Its the new manifesto of the republican party!
Okay, okay, obviously a fake from the bad, baaaaddd liberal media!

How about you wait a few days and read it from the GOPs own homepage?

And yes, there are sentences in it about banning abortion after rape, immigration and the defaming of homosexual marriage. All you can want from a program of the fifties. Oh, we are in 2012? Well, nevermind. You won't guess so from the manifesto!

It boggles my mind to hear a person say that they are opposed to abortion for any reason because they value life. The may value life but they don't value it equally. Women faced a healthier future in 1973 than they did in 1972 but Roe V Wade wasn't the only tool women needed to defend their lives and livelihoods. They also needed the public at large to be educated about the issues they face in a sane and truthful manner.

I am a nurse. One aspect of the job that is taken seriously by the public and the medical community is that nurses are to be advocates for their patients and the patients' families. Advocacy doesn't just involve be a mouthpiece. It also involves ensuring that people have all the information they need to make an informed choice. Having all information available empowers a person to make a decision and be responsible for that decision.

Withholding viable options and/or supplying false information is the antithesis of advocacy. Akin was not advocating for his constituents health and welfare. Sadly, the GOP have again embraced and approved a platform that puts half of the public at risk. No exceptions for rape, incest or mother's health.

Here is a video to see how a no-exceptions abortion ban can play out...us.cnn.com...

reply to post by RealSpoke


He acknowledged the fact that some rapes DO result in pregnancy, but alluded to the fact that it's rare. The theory in question has not been disproved. There is evidence for it.

As for the outrage, most of it seems to surround the 'legitimate rape' comment.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


For those of you who don't know, please allow me to explain how the system works. If you don't like what Akin says than don't vote for him. It's that simple. 

Why should Akin step down?? Biden and Obama both say a lot of stupid things all the time (Romney wants to put blacks back in chains????) and I don't hear any outrage or calls from their party for those two to step down.

Let's be honest...it doesn't matter what Akin said because you had no intention of voting for him anyway. Let's drop all the phony outrage and get on with the election already.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


As a former Republicam (Now independent), though registered in my my state as a democrat...

I take offense.

Keep buying the party line. Kool-Aid does taste good don't it?

I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference. The topic comes up and people are quick to say that the left doesn't generalize and do it in a hateful way. If this hasn't been generalizing with a real hard dose of ugly, I'm not entirely sure what that would look like.

Low IQ's? Wow....

I consider myself independent and I give liberals, socialists and democrats a fairly even look when they come up for vote...at least until recent years. Of course, now Democrats are downright communist and in a general way. After all our President, who is technical head of the Democratic Party while in Office, admired and looked to two self declared and openly proud communists in Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis. Surely that must make all democrats Communists.

Generalizing really works, eh? It's actually....quite offensive and in a direct way. ...isn't it?

As I mentioned, I approach politics independent but due to the vagaries of the election system and my conservative positions as a core starting point, I'm registered REPUBLICAN. This pretty well managed to insult a VERY large block of people with the generalizing over the comments of ONE MAN.....and the HISTORY CNN and HuffPo have both been working hard to dig up since.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
The GOP is full of people with low IQs.

You have been saying this all over the place .. ignoring the fact that the democrats have just as many idiots as the republicans have. I could easily pull up page after page of idiot quotes by democrats ....

reply to post by seabag

If you don't like what Akin says than don't vote for him. It's that simple

It's not just Akin, it's the GOP platform.

Why should Akin step down?? Biden and Obama both say a lot of stupid things all the time (Romney wants to put blacks back in chains????) and I don't hear any outrage or calls from their party for those two to step down

1. It's his own party calling for him to step down, and withdrawing funding.

2. No outrage because Biden isn't replacing scientific fact with his own beliefs

3. They ARE trying to put y'all (he didn't say blacks, he said y'all) in chains.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

As I mentioned, I approach politics independent but due to the vagaries of the election system and my conservative positions as a core starting point, I'm registered REPUBLICAN

Uh, oxymoron, no? "I am an independent registered as a REPUBLICAN." Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain said the Wizard.

reply to post by TDawgRex

Keep buying the party line. Kool-Aid does taste good don't it?

I voted for Bush.

Indepedent since I was 18.

Will never register with ANY party. I actually think before I vote.
(And I obviously thought wrong with the Bush vote! It happens)

Originally posted by seabag


Why should Akin step down?? Biden and Obama both say a lot of stupid things all the time (Romney wants to put blacks back in chains????) and I don't hear any outrage or calls from their party for those two to step down.

Let's be honest...it doesn't matter what Akin said because you had no intention of voting for him anyway. Let's drop all the phony outrage and get on with the election already.

While I am not outraged at what Akin said (I'm pretty used to hearing such stupid remarks from politicians), I think you need to step back and understand where the outrage is coming from.

It's not because he said something stupid. It's because he said something blatantly misogynistic and offensive.

Think about it: If I was living in a society dominated by women, and a particular woman stood up and said something completely ridiculous and untrue about the male anatomy, as an excuse for supporting legislation that removes my right to control what happens to my own body, I would probably be really offended and pissed off. Wouldn't you?


EDIT to add: This has nothing to do with him being stupid. Akin knows what he said and why he said it. This is part of the GOP trying to rationalize their attempts to enforce government control over a woman's body, when it goes against everything conservative values are supposed to represent.

reply to post by Charmed707

He acknowledged the fact that some rapes DO result in pregnancy, but alluded to the fact that it's rare. The theory in question has not been disproved. There is evidence for it.

Second time you cite evidence for a womans body defending against getting pregnant after being raped.

WHERE IS THIS EVIDENCE, IN YOUR HEAD? It's not a theory, it's some whackjob nut trying to get a position of power, hence the (appropiate) outrage from BOTH parties.

As for the outrage, most of it seems to surround the 'legitimate rape' comment.

No one is ignoring the stupidity of the claim that a womans body defends against sperm in a violent attack.

Its asinine for you to even hint at believing this crap.

I feel sorry for you and all of your spawn.

Originally posted by seabag

Why should Akin step down??

I guess you'd have to ask the entire GOP leadership up to and including Romney. They're the ones demanding he quit. They apparently don't want to be associated with him. It's not hard to figure out why.

The democrats, especially his opponent, don't want Akin to step down.

It seems that I find myself wanting to stop into all of these threads to make a very clear point that is being spun by those with different thoughts than mine...

Akin did NOT misspeak. He stated a real position and was subsequently spanked by the GOP. Look at his voting record and his own words - over time to see that this is not a gaff... it is who this guy is and what he believes.

The right seeking to downplay this is the honest conspiracy here. The guys a religious zealot... I guess he said too much about the real agenda of the extremists hiding behind Conservative Christianity maybe?

~Heff