17-Year-Old Sexual Assault Victim, Ruined Attacker's Life Says His Lawyer

reply to post by LeSigh


If she had been sentenced for breaking the plea agreement by revealing their names... any idea what her punishment would have been?

The prospect of it being anywhere near as severe as the sexual offenders makes my skin crawl.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by LeSigh

 

If she had been sentenced for breaking the plea agreement by revealing their names... any idea what her punishment would have been?

The prospect of it being anywhere near as severe as the sexual offenders makes my skin crawl.

I had to look this up as I didn't know. Apparently, she could face up to 180 days in jail and a $500 fine. Keep in mind that the boys had yet to be sentenced at the time of the article (July 23rd), when she Tweeted about it.

www.dailypaul.com...

ETA: You know what disturbs me here (and forgive me if I'm misreading what people are saying) is this double standard thinking. The concept that girls/women must be the responsible ones in any given situation or they can expect terrible things to happen to them, whereas boys/men are not to be blamed too harshly for being irresponsible concerning perpetrating any nonconsensual sexual acts. Because, clearly, a woman who lets her guard down for even a minute is fair game as men apparently aren't expected to have any self-control when presented with the opportunity. Boys will be boys and girls must constantly fight for their own virtue and deserve to have it destroyed if they step one toe out of line.

Sure- we should raise girls to be diligent and responsible. However- this begs the question (as it is NEVER mentioned that I've ever seen)- how should boys be raised?

Originally posted by LeSigh

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by LeSigh

 

If she had been sentenced for breaking the plea agreement by revealing their names... any idea what her punishment would have been?

The prospect of it being anywhere near as severe as the sexual offenders makes my skin crawl.

I had to look this up as I didn't know. Apparently, she could face up to 180 days in jail and a $500 fine. Keep in mind that the boys had yet to be sentenced at the time of the article (July 23rd), when she Tweeted about it.

www.dailypaul.com...

ETA: You know what disturbs me here (and forgive me if I'm misreading what people are saying) is this double standard thinking. The concept that girls/women must be the responsible ones in any given situation or they can expect terrible things to happen to them, whereas boys/men are not to be blamed too harshly for being irresponsible concerning perpetrating any nonconsensual sexual acts. Because, clearly, a woman who lets her guard down for even a minute is fair game as men apparently aren't expected to have any self-control when presented with the opportunity. Boys will be boys and girls must constantly fight for their own virtue and deserve to have it destroyed if they step one toe out of line.

Sure- we should raise girls to be diligent and responsible. However- this begs the question (as it is NEVER mentioned that I've ever seen)- how should boys be raised?

edit on 22-8-2012 by LeSigh because: (no reason given)

its the same old rape culture. We teach women not to get raped. We dont teach men not to rape.

A rape survivor will never be whole again... So why should these two - "boys".

I can assure you that if this were my daughter the "boys" would have been 6' under plain and simple.

The "boys" obviously were old enough to commit a "mans" act then they can pay the man’s price - death.

No shaming on FB would be required, just funerals.

I'd gladly rot in prison for the rest of my life for this decision - no problem what so ever. Sleeping soundly...

I don't know if anyone here knows what rape does to a person be they a man or a woman but it would often be more merciful to have just killed them instead. I'd say it's worse than murder myself....

In effect the perpetrator has murdered their soul and left the shell - same result

A person who would rape anyone be it through force, coercion or inebriation is the scum of the earth and only fit for a space well under it clearly not free to walk about on it.

reply to post by Golf66


True words spoken through emotion. Try to be logical.

Granted, if these boys did in fact penetrate this girl, they deserve to rot. But if they only touched or took pictures, they should be punished as well and in the same breath, if they didn't penetrate she had no right to call them rapist.

I've known many girls that cried rape when in fact they werent. And in some circumstances I know of women who cried rape after having consensual sex, they were just embarrassed the next day for their actions so they had to "cover" for it.

ETA: innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply when it comes to rape.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Golf66

 

True words spoken through emotion. Try to be logical.

Granted, if these boys did in fact penetrate this girl, they deserve to rot. But if they only touched or took pictures, they should be punished as well and in the same breath, if they didn't penetrate she had no right to call them rapist.

I've known many girls that cried rape when in fact they werent. And in some circumstances I know of women who cried rape after having consensual sex, they were just embarrassed the next day for their actions so they had to "cover" for it.

ETA: innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply when it comes to rape.

edit on 22-8-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)

These boys plead guilty to first degree sexual abuse.

Read what that entails here: www.lrc.ky.gov...

Sexual contact is overtly mentioned.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Golf66

 

True words spoken through emotion. Try to be logical.

Granted, if these boys did in fact penetrate this girl, they deserve to rot. But if they only touched or took pictures, they should be punished as well and in the same breath, if they didn't penetrate she had no right to call them rapist.

I've known many girls that cried rape when in fact they werent. And in some circumstances I know of women who cried rape after having consensual sex, they were just embarrassed the next day for their actions so they had to "cover" for it.

ETA: innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply when it comes to rape.

edit on 22-8-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)

except for the fact that the boys ADMITTED it, and RECORDED it.

I have entered the discussion at a late stage and just want to comment. As a Teacher I sometimes teach sex education and always emphasise sexually transmitted diseases and their lifetime effects where applicable. I also stress the importance of being responsible and underline the importance of both the male and the female speaking with an adult for help should a pregnancy result.

I tell the Students that I am not permitted to make personal comments to you - but - I just want to say one thing - "don't be in a hurry." And I leave it at that.

This story is an example of how corrupted the childhoods of Children have become. They are surrounded and bombarded by sexual images and have access to all manner of sexual pornography via the internet. We need to examine our society and realise we need to do much much more to protect and nurture our Children.

Taking photographs of a young woman who is passed out on a floor and undressing her - abusing her - assaulting her and degrading her - publicly. Who taught this young girl that it was okay to overdo the alcohol/drugs/whatever to the point you are out cold? Who taught the young men to treat a young woman with such abject disdain and disrespect?

I feel sad for everyone in this horror story and I know as a dedicated and passionate Teacher - I have a lot of work to do - we all do. Tribal people have a saying - It takes a village to raise a Child. We are all responsible for all our Children. How sad that our supposedly evolved and intelligent society has 'nurtured' a culture that has produced such an abhorrent and heart breaking event.

Much Peace...to All Children everywhere...you are being bombarded by images and psychology that are destroying you - stay strong and listen to Adults who have you safe in their sights...

reply to post by captaintyinknots


They admitted penetration, ie. intercourse? If not then it's not rape, she had no right to call it that, sexual assault yes, rape no.


ETA: maybe she needs a lesson in semantics, that's all.

reply to post by Amanda5


Nobody teaches boys or men to do things like that, it's something called hormones, particularly Testosterone which has been scientifically proven to make people think irrationally. Food for thought especially when combined with the effects of alcohol.

ETA: I am in no way condoning these boys behavior, I tend to have a knack for looking on the other side of the fence at times, given the track records (that I know of) of false rape accusations.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

They admitted penetration, ie. intercourse? If not then it's not rape, she had no right to call it that, sexual assault yes, rape no.

edit on 22-8-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)

ETA: maybe she needs a lesson in semantics, that's all.

edit on 22-8-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)

Boo friggin hoo. The boys are sexual predators. If they cant handle being called a rapist, they shouldnt sexually assault. Whether or not the word "rape" is accurate, which depends on the state you live in, is irrelevant. These boys should have it stamped on their forehead for the rest of their lives.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Amanda5

 

Nobody teaches boys or men to do things like that, it's something called hormones, particularly Testosterone which has been scientifically proven to make people think irrationally. Food for thought especially when combined with the effects of alcohol.

Again, boohoo. I had hormones as a teen. I never sexually assaulted anyone. The same is true of the majority of males out there.

Somewhere along the line, these boys were taught it was ok, whether directly, or through seeing the actions of others that do such things and get away with it.

Again, a nice big "Sexual Predator" tattoo on their forehead would be a good start.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


If they didn't rape then wouldn't the correct term to coin them be "sexual assaultists" ? After all, they sexually assaulted the girl, they didn't rape her, correct?

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

If they didn't rape then wouldn't the correct term to coin them be "sexual assaultists" ? After all, they sexually assaulted the girl, they didn't rape her, correct?

we dont know for sure. She claims they did. Either way, they have admitted to sexual assault, and frankly, assault, rape, either way, they are the scum of the earth and deserve to be labelled for all to see.

and really, the proper term would be "sexual predator", as thats what they are. They sought out the weak of the herd, and preyed upon her.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Amanda5

 

Nobody teaches boys or men to do things like that, it's something called hormones, particularly Testosterone which has been scientifically proven to make people think irrationally. Food for thought especially when combined with the effects of alcohol.

Again, boohoo. I had hormones as a teen. I never sexually assaulted anyone. The same is true of the majority of males out there.

Somewhere along the line, these boys were taught it was ok, whether directly, or through seeing the actions of others that do such things and get away with it.

Again, a nice big "Sexual Predator" tattoo on their forehead would be a good start.

Do you know they were taught it's ok? Do you have proof to back it up? In my 32 years of living I've never witnessed anything that OK's or suggests that raping is ok. Unless you're from S.A. where the men think that it's their obligation to take what they want from women.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

If they didn't rape then wouldn't the correct term to coin them be "sexual assaultists" ? After all, they sexually assaulted the girl, they didn't rape her, correct?

we dont know for sure. She claims they did. Either way, they have admitted to sexual assault, and frankly, assault, rape, either way, they are the scum of the earth and deserve to be labelled for all to see.

and really, the proper term would be "sexual predator", as thats what they are. They sought out the weak of the herd, and preyed upon her.

We don't know for sure soo in lieu of that Rapist is not the correct term to use for the perps, correct?

ETA: at first, and many times you called them rapist, which is incorrect



Btw, I agree with everything else you say, just to clarify

Originally posted by kimish

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Amanda5

 

Nobody teaches boys or men to do things like that, it's something called hormones, particularly Testosterone which has been scientifically proven to make people think irrationally. Food for thought especially when combined with the effects of alcohol.

Again, boohoo. I had hormones as a teen. I never sexually assaulted anyone. The same is true of the majority of males out there.

Somewhere along the line, these boys were taught it was ok, whether directly, or through seeing the actions of others that do such things and get away with it.

Again, a nice big "Sexual Predator" tattoo on their forehead would be a good start.

Do you know they were taught it's ok? Do you have proof to back it up? In my 32 years of living I've never witnessed anything that OK's or suggests that raping is ok. Unless you're from S.A. where the men think that it's their obligation to take what they want from women.

We know one thing for certain: they werent taught not to rape.

If they were never taught it in any way, why did it happen?

Originally posted by kimish

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

If they didn't rape then wouldn't the correct term to coin them be "sexual assaultists" ? After all, they sexually assaulted the girl, they didn't rape her, correct?

we dont know for sure. She claims they did. Either way, they have admitted to sexual assault, and frankly, assault, rape, either way, they are the scum of the earth and deserve to be labelled for all to see.

and really, the proper term would be "sexual predator", as thats what they are. They sought out the weak of the herd, and preyed upon her.

We don't know for sure soo in lieu of that Rapist is not the correct term to use for the perps, correct?

ETA: at first, and many times you called them rapist, which is incorrect

edit on 22-8-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)

i will continue to call them rapists, as thats what they are. Trying to delude the assault based on semantics is sad.

Even if she embellished a bit on the original story...still no matter the circumstance...No means no....and if she's drunk its best to leave her be than risk something of this magnitude....


If anything I'd hope he learned a very serious lesson either way guilty or not....I have no sympathy for him and charges get pegged down all the time because of burden of proof in the first place.

He deserved what he got....maybe he should have been more of a gentleman and got into her panties that way instead of taking advantage of a situation that she might not later agree with when sober.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.....especially when they feel like a victim from the very system thats supposed to protect her.

I wouldn't lay all the blame on her, it takes 2 to tango after all and he knew what he was doing when he went down them drawers....

Now he's paying the price for a bad decision......

reply to post by kimish

While I respect your comment I still feel that the bombardment of sexualised images that pervade society - and to which Children are drawn - particularly as they enter the adolescent stage, are in fact teaching them certain behaviours. Looking at pornography teaches Children that it's okay to have sex in a variety of ways. The mere fact that sooooo much sexual imagery is prevalent - teaches Children that adults have created this sexualised society and that is why they gravitate towards such behaviour.

I agree with you that hormones are strong in adolescents but encouraging them with sexualised advertisements and access to pornography is giving them tools without proper guidance - they will do whatever ...

Hormones are only a part of the problem - we have so much work to do as a society. I imagine we can both agree that this horrific story is a no win situation for anyone.

Much Peace...