Pennsylvania Man Sent to Psych Ward for "Religious Beliefs", page 1


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Topic started on 21-8-2012 @ 06:54 PM by FearYourMind
This is an interesting article from NEIN (Northeast Intelligence Network) news. This story comes out of Scranton, Pennsylvania. A 28-year old web designer, Jason Egroff, was at his house on August 8, 2012 when a police officer called him and told him to...

turn on the porch light and step outside as he wanted to speak to him. Knowing that he had done nothing wrong, Jason complied with the officer’s request. As he stepped onto the porch, “officer Steve” was there to meet him, accompanied by another law enforcement officer. I should note that Jason Egroff is not stupid or naive, and sensed that had he not complied with the officer’s request, things might have gotten ugly. “It was a matter of choosing my battles,” he told me, but he was still not quite ready for what happened next. The officer told Jason that the Scranton Police Department received a telephone call from a “friend” living in New York City who claimed to be concerned about Jason’s mental health. This friend works as a physical therapy assistant at a large New York City hospital. It is important to note his “friend’s” professional position is well outside of the mental health practice. According to the officer, Jason’s friend contacted his department, and claimed that he was “worried” about him, citing his recent talk about the Bible in general, Biblical prophecy in particular, and the role of the Obama regime in the larger picture detailed by prophecy. This “friend” has been listening to Jason’s calls to The Hagmann & Hagmann Report as well as Jason’s own recently started BTR radio show.


It goes on to say this "friend" that the cops were alerted by knew Jason Egroff had guns and was worried he would harm someone with the weapons. So the cops take him to a psych ward.

The officers took Jason to the local hospital psychiatric ward for “evaluation.” For the next 18 hours, he was subjected to some of the most humiliating searches, probes, and questions by hospital personnel. Questions included those specific to his religious faith and what he thought about the government and Obama. Questions that were structured in such a manner that regardless of the answer, they would result in portraying him as a dangerous, gun-owning Christian zealot. All as a result of Jason expressing his non-violent, well reasoned, and articulate views on our show as well as his own. All ostensibly from the concern of one “friend” from another state and well over 100 miles away.


Jason says he was released under the condition that he gets rid of any and all firearms he owns and report to a crisis counseling center upon discharge.

This gets a bit more interesting when Jason, who felt it best to accommodate the evaluating doctors, reported to the crisis counseling center as instructed. Mr. Egroff furnished the handful of paperwork to the crisis center worker who spent a few minutes looking over the documents. After a lengthy pause, she looked at Jason and made the following chilling observation as if it was a matter of routine: “So, you’re here because of your religious beliefs.” As Jason tells it, this was not a question, but a statement of fact.


Read the Full Article

I found this story and it reminded me of what's going on with Brandon Raub right now. See Brandon Raub Story

Should we fear being thrown in a psychiatric hospital because of our political and/or religious beliefs? What is the line anyways? Most people know not to make threats or incite riots, but how far does our Freedom of Speech really go before you have to worry about something like this happening to you? All it takes is someone who doesn't understand your beliefs, or know you that well, telling authorities that you're crazy?

Also, the article is not expressing my views, it just happens to be the source. I checked on the name "Jason Egroff" and he is a 28-year old web designer out of Scranton, Pennsylvania. He has his own business/website "Simficent Design LLC" as well as a Facebook Page so the guy does exist and this seems to be a story that needs a good looking into.


reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 07:09 PM by lonewolf19792000
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This is how they begin to take away your firearms. Label you as a religious nut and have you intered into a psych ward against your will. They can violate your rights by portraying you as a "religious crazy" and there's nothign you can do about it. "Give up your guns and forget your religion, or be stuck in a nuthouse forever" sounds like terrorism to me.


reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 07:21 PM by skepticconwatcher
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No. Something is missing. Namely, the actual words and statements made by the man. This isn't about him being a Christian. There is a lot of information missing. The article is vague in what was actually said by this man. It was not simply because he was a "Christian with guns" that got the authorities attention.Otherwise, we would have half of the citizens of the United States under evaluation.

Where's the rest of this story OP ?

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reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 07:30 PM by seeker1963
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No. Something is missing. Namely, the actual words and statements made by the man. This isn't about him being a Christian. There is a lot of information missing. The article is vague in what was actually said by this man. It was not simply because he was a "Christian with guns" that got the authorities attention.Otherwise, we would have half of the citizens of the United States under evaluation.

Where's the rest of this story OP ?


Read the OP's link and quit being lazy and arguementative. If the OP didn't provide the link to their source I would understand your comment. The source is provided, so enlighten yourself!

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reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 07:33 PM by FearYourMind
reply to post by skepticconwatcher



I posted the link to the article. This is the only source available right now and I stated that the article didn't express my views. I was posting it for the story, not to support the claims of the author that went with it.


reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 08:12 PM by HillbillyHippie1
I'd say this gentleman may very well have a good case against all parties who infringed upon his rights.

Constitution
of the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WE, the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

Article 1
DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and unalterably established, WE DECLARE THAT -

Inherent Rights of Mankind
Section 1.
All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

Political Powers
Section 2.
All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness. For the advancement of these ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think proper.

Religious Freedom
Section 3.
All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship or to maintain any ministry against his consent; no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience, and no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious establishments or modes of worship.

Trial by Jury
Section 6.
Trial by jury shall be as heretofore, and the right thereof remain inviolate. The General assembly may provide, however, by law, that a verdict may be rendered by not less than five-sixths of the jury in any civil case.

Freedom of Press and Speech; Libels
Section 7.
The printing press shall be free to every person who may undertake to examine the proceedings of the Legislature or any branch of government, and no law shall ever be made to restrain the right thereof. The free communication of thoughts and opinions is one of the invaluable rights of man, and every citizen may freely speak, write and print on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty. No conviction shall be had in any prosecution for the publication of papers relating to the official conduct of officers or men in public capacity, or to any other matter proper for public investigation or information, where the fact that such publication was not maliciously or negligently made shall be established to the satisfaction of the jury; and in all indictments for libels the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

Security From Searches and Seizures
Section 8.
The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and possessions from unreasonable searches and seizures, and no warrant to search any place or to seize any person or things shall issue without describing them as nearly as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation subscribed by the affiant.

Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Reservation of Powers in People
Section 25.
To guard against the transgressions of the high powers which we have delegated, we declare that everything in this article is excepted out of the general powers of government and shall forever remain inviolate.

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reply posted on 21-8-2012 @ 08:21 PM by ANOK
Originally posted by FearYourMind
Should we fear being thrown in a psychiatric hospital because of our political and/or religious beliefs?


Read this...

He died a frightened, weak and tired man; six months earlier he had been determine, happy and exceptionally healthy; it had taken only that short time for Her Majesty's Government's Heath Department to reduce Phil to a puke covered corpse....


www.spunk.org...

A true story.

For years, the state has used various forms of social control to attack radical social movements that challenge its power. The three works reviewed here explore the power mechanisms behind the repression and pacification of political dissent. They help us understand the various ways that the state intervenes to suppress radical movements and prevent social transformation....


Social Control, Repression, and the Role of the State: Controlling Radical Movements

Mental hospitals have been used for a long time to silence people, just one of the many tactics used. If they want to get you, they will find a way.


reply posted on 22-8-2012 @ 07:20 AM by NoJoker13
reply to post by FearYourMind



HahAHA and you guys think this nut bags guns shouldn't have been taken away? You do realize that if he alluded to any foul harm to the president or his regime that is considered illegal in this country. Take his guns, and give him a Bible that's all he needs anyway. Also why does a good Bible reading man need a gun for anyway? It's against his religion to kill.


reply posted on 22-8-2012 @ 07:31 AM by FearYourMind
Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to
post by FearYourMind



HahAHA and you guys think this nut bags guns shouldn't have been taken away? You do realize that if he alluded to any foul harm to the president or his regime that is considered illegal in this country. Take his guns, and give him a Bible that's all he needs anyway. Also why does a good Bible reading man need a gun for anyway? It's against his religion to kill.


According to the interviewer and based on Jason’s own admission,


he rarely uses the guns to target practice and has little attachment to them. During my interview with Jason, he said that he did not care if he had a gun or not, they are simply not that important to him


So don't make it sound like he was some kind of gun nut looking to harm people. There's no evidence pointing to that. If he had "alluded to any foul harm to the president" he wouldn't be free right now would he? Did you bother reading any of it?
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