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Mother obsessed with 3 fallen angel statues but dont want any Bible or Jesus Cross .. WTH

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Ok this is very personal about my mother .. but now i think i need help .. i mean my mother
she has been very different from me since a long time has long has i can remember
i will always love my mother whatever she do of course ..
but now i feel that i need to save her and its urgent
her way of thinking doesnt make sense .. she can also be wicked and racist
the way she treat people sometime is insane and so immature ..
she always have full of negative energy

we went to a chinese restaurant in the USA after coming back from a trip not to long ago
and the soup wasnt the way she wanted .. she summoned the chief and insulted him in front of everyone
the soup is awfull it taste like sh** i want it replaced now .. i couldnt believe what i was seeing
then we were back in the van and i told her a manner lesson .. not to treat people like that
she knew i was right because she started smiling and laughing realising how negative she was for nothing
she even say that one time she spit in the milk of a coworker in the fridge because she didnt like him
she have trouble with the 3 famillies .. always making big fight with everyone
even with the neighbors .. they all move away from the street after a few yrs
one that didnt move it yet (in front of the house)
she saw their dog doing poop on the front grass of my parent house
so what she then did .. doing meat ball with a very laxatif product
she was laughing that the dog would then crap all over their house carpet
was always looking through the window to see if the dog was eating her balls

she seems always angry and stressed also very negative and obsessed
i though when i was younger .. its her caractere maybe
but i feel she have deep secrets now ..
only care about doing her vacation trip in NC and drinking a lot of red wine
my mother is a ex nurse(french canadian) and my half father is a italian doctor
she met at a hospital when i was 4 yrs old
so they are rich with a big house
my half father sliped one night after i spoke him about the mason
he then was all surprise that i knew about them
and he sliped that in italia he was offered to be part of the masson by someone
when he was studying to be a doc

just discovered recently that her 2 expensive angel statue lamp near the bed
and 1 big(4 ft) statue near her bath are fallen angels
making the devil sign subliminaly with the 2 middle finger joined together
they have been there for 15 yrs ..since they moved in that new house
she even made renovation recently and they are still there and shiny
tried to buy her new lamp .. didnt work
tried to tell her those angel are not really angel but fallen angels .. and she say im crazy
tried to tell her that i will bring a cross or put a bible in her cabinet
and she went nuts more angrier then ever .. saying im a religious freak now with mental illness

then why she is so obsessed with those angels to keep them but any cross is not okay
i was testing her just to see her reactions ,, and my doubts where confirmed that she is scared
but who would be scare of a Jesus cross .. i have one in my own room
and im not obsessed with it .. it is there like a decoration and protection of evil symbol

one other thing .. many many yrs ago she went to see a medium
and she slipped that me and my mother were conected in past lifes
and that i had a more older soul then my own mom
she talked to me about this many yrs ago .. still remember it
when i tried to talk to her about this .. it look like she is annoyed
i never went to see any medium in my life .. and will not go see one to have answers

do any of you recognise such behavior ?
i feel she think she is above many people exactly like the elite
they do control many hospital .. maybe she is not even my mother
that would explain her many obsessions lol .. but im open to the possibility
and why i dont see anywhere in the house a Jesus cross
if she wasnt religious .. she wouldnt have put me 3 yrs in the forest with the nuns
where i saw my first UFO .. another subject they dont like to discuss
since this UFO i have been seeking many answer in my life and what it was

i did receive the baby ceremony and the communion ceremony when i was young ..
dont go to church anymore but always been spiritual and try to be a good soul
contrary to my mothers .. asked her if she still had Faith in God recently
she told me a strange "yes" but i could tell she was lying the way she say it
my mother have always been a good liar and hypocrite sometimes
will always love her but damn she is hard to save


any advice ?
when i speak to her.. i always remain very calm and carefully choose my words
same thing when i try to reason in the best positive manner .. she always escape the same ways

im living on my own now and dont like to receive any money from them
but i do always accept an invitation to have diner with them at their house
1 week end on 2 .. next time i will try to picture the fallen angel with my iphone
so i can post them here so you can see for yourself

sorry if there is mistakes ..
just wrote the thread to accumulate all the important info that i can think of
edit on 8/21/2012 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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That hand signal doesn't necessarily mean what we take it to mean in modern times, mainly in the US. In other countries, such as Italy, especially in the past, it was actually considered a ward against evil.
Is/was she a Roman Catholic?



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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i know this is hard to believe .. but everything i just said is true
could my parent be part of a secret society group ?
if they are .. they really try to hide it
even the italian doctor .. always tell me that he have 25 yrs of experience
and that he saw many mentaly ill individuals
when i told him about putting a small Jesus cross in the master room
he then told me the F U word lol (that conversation happened today on the phone)
and that his goal was making money and thats all what is mather

i say yes .. but you need a certain balance in life
he didnt like when i told him that line lol



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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some people actually find it insulting to even suggest a crucifix might help...

I would say it sounds like mom has some personal issues that need resolving... negativity usually is the result of something thats happened in a persons past, or even during childhood.

And perhaps she just loves her lamps?




posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
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That hand signal doesn't necessarily mean what we take it to mean in modern times, mainly in the US. In other countries, such as Italy, especially in the past, it was actually considered a ward against evil.
Is/was she a Roman Catholic?


yup i know that sign its usualy Gene Simmon in his rock and roll fan that love the music
the italian doc do love Kiss .. how odd is that lol (gene simmon woreship some demon)
he say that in his new reality show ... so many occult references in that industry

when he was young(the doc) .. he was a hippy with long dark hair and a mustache
now he have short hair no more mustache but very rich

my mother .. i think she is catholic
but why would she go see a medium

and the real Angel why would they do the rock on sign in subliminal
the movie with Tom Hanks "Angel and Demons" explain who are those strange angels
im sure they are not the good angel .. thats why there is no Jesus cross in the room on in the house

she is worrying me a bit .. hope ATS member have some answers
i though i had the answers .. but i have more questions now
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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To any christian Idolatry is bad, graven images and what not...

I have heard tons of crazy stories revolving around Statues of Marry, angels etc...

If you truly believe there is something going on there is very little you can do with out their consent, but Remember


for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.- Ephesians 6:12


There was a thread a few days ago about a man who had an "encounter" with something perhaps that vid could assist you.

ATS: Former worldy guy describes



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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I think what defcon5 was trying to explain to you, Ben, is that back in the day in Italy that 'hand sign' was intended or meant as a means to ward off evil and the like. That your mother likely sees those figurines/statues as 'keeping the home safe from evil', so to speak. Certainly not Gene Simmons head bangin rock and roll - like.

Now.. if she starts putting garlic-laced necklaces around you at night when you sleep, and loading 'dad's' pistol with silver bullets... THEN ... you might want to be concerned .... wooden stakes, too.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Frankly there is a number of medical reasons that could cause this ranging from a standard infection to a parasite. You would need to get a full medical checkup, obviously with their concent.

On the other side of the coin it could be pschosis, an event (also known as the stresser) may have occured at work, or on the train virtually anywhere which could have caused a psychotic break.

I know this isnt much help, but bizzare behaviour / out of the ordinary behaviour really is hard to advise on in a third person scenario :/

But its another avenue to investigate.

Edit - hit reply to, to the wrong person, my bad.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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You're answering your own questions if you go back and read in relation to what I posted.
You're step dad is an Italian, your mother is an Roman Catholic.

That is a warding symbol from old Italy....

Sign of the Horns
In Italy, pointing the index and little finger at someone is a common curse as well as an accusation of having an unfaithful wife.[citation needed] With fingers down, it is a common apotropaic gesture instead, by which superstitious people seek protection in unlucky situations (something like touching wood). Thus for example the President of the Italian Republic Giovanni Leone shocked the country when, while in Naples during an outbreak of cholera, he shook the hands of patients with one hand while with the other behind his back he made the corna. This act was well documented by the journalists and photographers who were right behind him, a fact that had escaped President Leone's mind in that moment. The gesture was interpreted as especially offensive for the patients.[1] It is much more common in southern Italy, and is typical in the popular culture of Naples, where President Leone was born.[2]

I'll get to the rest after I get in to work tonight, but some of it sounds just like your dealing with people who are getting older.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
To any christian Idolatry is bad, graven images and what not...

I have heard tons of crazy stories revolving around Statues of Marry, angels etc...

If you truly believe there is something going on there is very little you can do with out their consent, but Remember


for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.- Ephesians 6:12


There was a thread a few days ago about a man who had an "encounter" with something perhaps that vid could assist you.

ATS: Former worldy guy describes


I agree .. can do much without their consent
will always respect that and not try to impose anything on them
or try to hide a bible in their closet
i can only try to reason sometimes
i always try to be very discret when i test them in a way
and everytime they fail and gives me more to chew on

thank Ben will check out the link
i only want the best for my mother .. want her to be positive for once
really think she have lost Faith and idolatre more those stupid statue making the same signs
then anything else

3 statue making 5 signs in total with their hands
is not a coincidence anymore

when i was young .. i remember finding a good spot for her diamond ring
i found that how the finger were making a sign perfect to hook the ring on it
when i showed that place for her ring .. she was like .. omg what a good idea
and was proud of me being so creative to have found the perfect place for her ring when she sleep

how odd again

15 yrs later .. the ring is always on one of the hands



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
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I think what defcon5 was trying to explain to you, Ben, is that back in the day in Italy that 'hand sign' was intended or meant as a means to ward off evil and the like. That your mother likely sees those figurines/statues as 'keeping the home safe from evil', so to speak. Certainly not Gene Simmons head bangin rock and roll - like.

Now.. if she starts putting garlic-laced necklaces around you at night when you sleep, and loading 'dad's' pistol with silver bullets... THEN ... you might want to be concerned .... wooden stakes, too.



then if that hand sign is to protect the room or the house
how she dont want any Cross .. doesnt make sens

i dont think we have any Van Helsing in the familly
only a nurse and a doc
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Some people would look at your avatar and believe you were a satan worshipper for having skulls on it. Idolizing death so to say. Its all about perception. One day you realize your mother aint the saint you thought she was growing up.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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thank you for you reply
really informative

but it bring more questions again
why so negative if you have protected angels making protective signs

i have heard that making signs with the hands is unatural
completely the oposite they are deceptive .. not even in the Bible
the egyptians a long time ago the significance of the hand signs
apparently there is one god that love those signs
and it do bring protection and wealth but nothing else
even the peace sign ..with the V
another deceptive sign that made you think it is for Peace
but they represent more the devil horn like the rock on sign

look all the FSA doing the peace sign to the corrupted MSM
so people fall for their game that it is for peace
we know what the FSA do .. kill woman and babies like theyr were nothing
and try to accuse Assad with it

sorry but i will no longer be deceived by those signs
my own mother looks so damn confuse now
she look like brainwashed beyond reasoning
but will not let her down ..



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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making the devil sign subliminaly with the 2 middle finger joined together


Like this, Ben?



I've seen all kinds of Christian icons making that sign.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
Some people would look at your avatar and believe you were a satan worshipper for having skulls on it. Idolizing death so to say. Its all about perception. One day you realize your mother aint the saint you thought she was growing up.


thank you for your reply
those skull represent the punisher and the sea sheppard
at least they dont have any horns

the real avatar is with this guy swiming with the dolphin

when the 2 image are put together .. they mean something more then skulls



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Lol thanks Masqua
i look like the same sign i was doing when i was in the cadet ahah
Jesus is point 2 thing .. the heart and above
i think i dont have to explain more on this


so many mods are suddently attracted to this thread .. whats going on here

u2u me if someone know what those angel represent
i know searching for the truth can be a dangerous game sometimes
but it worth it .. the knowledge of life itself is really important
to know why people act so strange .. especially in this yrs .. 2012



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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I think that WE make up the meanings of many of these signs, not God. Which is why the same hand gesture can mean a different thing depending on the culture, and the time period. There is nothing in the bible, of which I am aware, stating that any hand sign is considered bad. Its only in modern times that this sign has come to be associated with anything evil.

You mother might also simply own the statues because she likes the art, not because of any religious significance of them. I can pretty much guarantee that they are copies of some older art, and you should search around and try and find what the originals were, and what they meant.

Additionally, Roman Catholicism tends to place religious significance on people other then God, such as angles, saints, Mary, etc... So its not uncommon to see things that Christians of other religions consider to be idols in the homes of members of Catholicism.

Also many folks do not like Crucifixes... Though normally Roman Catholics do, but others see them as re-crucifying Christ. It is a reproduction of a torturous death sentience device after all.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Also many folks do not like Crucifixes... Though normally Roman Catholics do, but others see them as re-crucifying Christ. It is a reproduction of a torturous death sentience device after all.


Exactly!


Why keep him dead when he's supposed to represent "life"?




posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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ummm

other than the sign of the horns [which has been explained to you]
how do you know they are Fallen angels?

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