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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by illuminnaughty
reply to post by ChristianJihad
 


Yes ok I stand corrected.
Thanks.
How ever which ever way one looks at the problem the fault is who`s? It must surely be the govts fault. Estates full of unemployed people? Whos fault? Who shipped all the jobs over seas? Who gave OUR money to the banksters, so that they could sit on it, instead of lending back to the people who gave it to them? Who deregulated the banks? .


And who allowed them to do all this ?

We did

We were too busy getting drunk in the pubs, we were too busy worrying about xmas dinner, we were very busy concerning ourselves whether our new shoes would go well with the new fridge.

We have been extremely tied up making sure we catchup with our favourite soaps, time seems to fly when we are nodding our heads down tesco. power isle on fathers day , halloween day , pet spider day,happy olympics everyone.

And of course weve been very busy being scared, scared of what others might think about us, scared we may not afford a holiday, scared in case we look fat scared that we may look too white. Scared someone would take our precious things, scared of the boss, scared of the ppeople that look different and most definatley scared of people that would have us not be or think different.

We allowed it to happen my friend and we're still doing so, the minute we stop being scared and stand together and say no that's when we bring an end to our self deception. They don't take our power we hand it over gladly by complacency and to a degree through hereditary.




posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by glen200376
 


I said racist because you said intolerant, what else does that mean? You said it yourself.



Well, What ever your interpretation of the word, you cant blame him, the schools over here advocate zero tolerance


But seriously, I've conversed with Glen enough on many threads to know he's not racist, he's just feeling sore about our sorry situation over here, like many of us are,

Immigration is a HUGE problem over here, it can be hard to correlate these feelings correctly into coherent posts!

I notice you like to jump on anyone who shows the slightest indication of racism, I guess its something you have personally dealt with, and hold close to your heart, but try and consider *everybodys* feelings here..



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Corrected once again

Yes WE DID IT.
For all the reasons and more that you stated.
Sooooooooo
When are WE going to DO some thing about it?
How are WE going to DO it?
The only way forwards that I can see, is to do a mass protest, a protest so big that they finally get the message. Personally I think that WE or every one, should just stop doing what ever they are doing. Bring the whole place to a stand still. Dont go to work and refuse to pay any bills. I dont mean every one people like nurses doctors and medical staff should remain at their posts. Same with people that supply power ect or any other essential servise that we the people may need. Fire police ect. That is any of them, that are on the peoples side and not siding with the crooks in govt.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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When are WE going to DO some thing about it?
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I thought WE have allready started by being here and having this discussion have we not ?

What can we do ?

I advocate do nothing, forget protesting that only sells our own story back to us with a different slant via TV and newspapers. How dumb could we get paying to see ourselves protest ? Protesting merely draws attention then some people will see an oportunity for themselves to use that protest for their own gain.

Just my opinion but do nothing is the way to go, what would happen do you think if overnght the 99% (or whatever) magically developed a spine and said to themselve " Oh f***** it that's enough I'm not afraid anymore and did nothing, nopthing at all didn't go to work, didn't go to the shops, didn't put fuel in the car didn't turn on the TV just went out for a walk or something with friends, or family hell there'd be so many people about doing nothing they may actually start talking to each other.

Would anyone get arrested for doiing nothing ? Would new laws suddenly be rushed through parliment to prevent a nothing ever happening again ? Would you really want to buy a newspaper saying nothing happened even if a robot printed it ?


Nope I'm all for doing nothing but to get there we have to be not afraid of losing anything but we could just gain everything so there's no real loss in the long term just a gain in control of ourselves.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by illuminnaughty
The reason there is a shortage of council homes is because the milk snatcher (Maggy) sold them off and since then, no one has bothered to build any new ones. Or not enough to cope with the added population. Be that the mass influx of imigrants or the normal growth of the population.
So the cuts are going to get deeper now due to the govt having to borrow more money. Which means that there are going to be more people in the same situation as ALS. Seeing as we are all in it togeather. I think you should ask cameron for a room at his house, which I imagine will be very big.


As a person born in 1967 and subjected to "school milk" thank goodness she got rid of it..it was vile and as a lactose intolerant person, I suffered greatly being forced to drink it...but back in the 70's no one gave a toss about food allergies!

As for the selling of council houses, I agree it was not a good thing unless the stock was being replaced, but who bought it? The tenants, that's who bought it (there was no option at that point for private landlords to buy council property) and mostly the tenants were working class Labour voters..

And of course in 1997, only 8yrs and less after the mass sell out, Labour took power and housing costs soared in the UK...in 2001 a 2/3 bed semi or terraced house would cost approx £30k to £55k depending on area house type etc...Since 2002 prices have risen at incredible rates up to 2007/08 (99k for studio to 300k normal 3 bed house) when it flattened out, but sadly prices are still not reflecting market value at 3x's salary, which is currently 25k and most 2/3 bed semi detached/terrace will still set you back over £160 k

That's what's wrong with the housing market, too many greedy people hoping to make a fast buck out of bricks and mortar...

Houses are not an investment, they are a home for people to live in



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by glen200376
 


Well, IMO, the flaws in today's society are so OBVIOUS (me or you could run the country better) that the flaws are being implemented on purpose...



Not trying to be a smarty pants, and I am sympathetic to your situation -- but if you believe this to be true, why not run for office? You would make a decent salary if you have the charisma and skills for the position (you said that you have the skills) -- you would be getting paid to fix the problems (two birds w/ one stone)! Most days I feel that it's a rigged game, but I had to throw the idea out there. :-]
edit on 8/22/2012 by AkumaStreak because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Hiya Matey, Sorry to hear about your situation. I worked with homeless people a couple of years ago. From what I remember about housing law, your local authority has a duty by law to re-house you and your family. There are a couple of conditions to this duty though.

Do you have local connections to the authority where you are seeking to be re-housed? the logic of this condition is that it stops people from upping sticks and going wherever they like. Local connections are friends and family who live in the area where you are trying to get re-housed (a genuine reason for wanting to live somewhere)

if you do not have local connections then their duty is discharged (no obligation for that authority to re-house you and your family)

Are you making yourself homeless? (moving out of your own free will) if so then (no obligation for that authority to rehouse you and your family)

There are I think a handful of conditions that you you must comply with in order for the local authority to have a duty to re-house you. The first thing you should do (as you already have done by the sound of it) is present yourself and your family as homeless.

Go to your nearest Citizens Advice Bureau who will guide you through this process. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
don't leave everything to the last minute

I don't think there is any excuse for homelessness in the UK (except where it is through choice)

Best of luck to you and your family



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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dude...the reasons why are neither here nor there??? seriously???
I would say the reasons why are the most significant things...you have a wife and child man..
I don't know what council housing is but im assuming its in England and it is like section 8 in America.
You have ONE MONTH before you will have to move...get a new job or TWO or THREE and work your butt off!!!
Why would you be trying to rely on the government to give you a free or cheap house instead of working for what you want or think you deserve?? This is insanity...Unless you and your wife are physically disabled you should both be working multiple jobs instead of asking for advice on a conspiracy blog. I am 25 years old and i have been on my own since im 18 with no government funding or hand outs. I just work my butt off and if i think im going to be short on money i pick up side jobs or get a temporary second job. I was unemployed for a little while but i still made money doing home improvements on the side. Find one person to do a job for for cheap and they will spread the word. We are entitled absolutely nothing in this life. If most of us got what we deserved we would be dead. Its not the governments responsibility to put you in a house. It is YOURS. Especially since you have a family. This is sad. Like i said unless you are physically disabled then you have no excuse whatsoever. People are so lazy it is sickening.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Do you know how much private rent costs,how crap wages are,how much child care costs ,oh and lets not forget there arent any bloody jobs.
This is like Deja vu,same thread,same I'm alright self righteous American attitude.
edit to add:please post links to these said jobs that you speak of(you know the ones that you can get at the drop of a hat and they need to be legal)
edit on 23/8/2012 by glen200376 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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Lazy??? I work from the moment I open my eyes to the moment I fall asleep! And still I only make a pitence. At weekends I do odd jobs from gardening to cleaning toilets and still I barely make enough to live. I can't get a loan because of a little thing called the credit crunch, so owning my own home is off the table.

I started working at sixteen, so for the past 9 years I have been paying into the welfare fund. This likely adds to thousands and thousands of pounds! So am I entitle to help that I have already payed for? Damn right I am.

The reason I ask "a conspiracy site" for help is because our/this community is intelligent, great at research and most of all compassionate.

Who else would I ask?



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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reply to post by ALOSTSOUL
 


Any luck yet mate?



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by Asktheanimals
 


Well I have asthma, so I guess that ones out of the question.



I had a patch of mold and got rid of it by bleaching it off and treating the area with special anti mold paint stuff. It's never come back. The stuff was pretty expensive though compared to your average pot of paint.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL
 


The $1.50 dream home?

If you don't have that sort of cash lying around, how about a home for just $1.50?

The city of Stoke-on-Trent aims to sell off run-down row houses for 1 pound each as part of an urban renewal scheme.interesting

City hall will even advance you a $50,000 low-interest loan to renovate your new home, according to The Daily Mail. Sound too good? Among the drawbacks, the houses are in a neighborhood notorious for crime and deprivation and you’d have to live there for at least five years. However, the scheme may never get of the ground. A council official told GlobalPost the plan was very much in the early stages and unlikely to materialize in the form described by "factually incorrect" media reports.

It is true, however, that house prices in Britain have fallen sharply — by almost 8 percent over the past five years. Although London remains expensive, there are real bargains to be found in northern cities such as rejuvenated Manchester. Prices there are around half those in the capital and falling.

More from GlobalPost: European culture: Merkel 1, Caravaggio 0
www.globalpost.com...


The only reason the place is notorious for crime is mainly because the houses were earmarked for renewal. The tenants/homeowners were removed to make way for demolition work. The scheme ran out of money, the houses left to rot and inevitably crime and vandalism rises when the Government washes their hands of it. Couple that with the fact the Government have washed their hands of the whole area for decades.

I'm willing to put money on the fact those houses you mention have already been handed over to property developers and not desperate families. Funny isn't it? The people of Stoke on Trent didn't know anything about it until it made the tabloids. Even the local paper The Sentinel only knew about it after the Daily Fail.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria

Originally posted by Char-Lee
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL
 


The $1.50 dream home?

If you don't have that sort of cash lying around, how about a home for just $1.50?

The city of Stoke-on-Trent aims to sell off run-down row houses for 1 pound each as part of an urban renewal scheme.interesting

City hall will even advance you a $50,000 low-interest loan to renovate your new home, according to The Daily Mail. Sound too good? Among the drawbacks, the houses are in a neighborhood notorious for crime and deprivation and you’d have to live there for at least five years. However, the scheme may never get of the ground. A council official told GlobalPost the plan was very much in the early stages and unlikely to materialize in the form described by "factually incorrect" media reports.

It is true, however, that house prices in Britain have fallen sharply — by almost 8 percent over the past five years. Although London remains expensive, there are real bargains to be found in northern cities such as rejuvenated Manchester. Prices there are around half those in the capital and falling.

More from GlobalPost: European culture: Merkel 1, Caravaggio 0
www.globalpost.com...


The only reason the place is notorious for crime is mainly because the houses were earmarked for renewal. The tenants/homeowners were removed to make way for demolition work. The scheme ran out of money, the houses left to rot and inevitably crime and vandalism rises when the Government washes their hands of it. Couple that with the fact the Government have washed their hands of the whole area for decades.

I'm willing to put money on the fact those houses you mention have already been handed over to property developers and not desperate families. Funny isn't it? The people of Stoke on Trent didn't know anything about it until it made the tabloids. Even the local paper The Sentinel only knew about it after the Daily Fail.


The same kind of incredibly stupid stuff we are seeing everywhere...makes me hate everything sometimes!!



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Status update:

The houses viewed today are a no go. Again two were "no dss" and the other wanted a 6 month deposit because off my poor credit rating.

I have took the liberty Of writing to my MP and to the prime minister.

I'm also considering contacting social services.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
Status update:

The houses viewed today are a no go. Again two were "no dss" and the other wanted a 6 month deposit because off my poor credit rating.

I have took the liberty Of writing to my MP and to the prime minister.

I'm also considering contacting social services.


Have you tried the DSS accepted properties? ..they don't do credit checks and don't need to see a load of money in your account..plus all of their properties are up to scratch or else they can't have the rent paid to them from the council..and the council are reliable payers...it's only a problem if your circumstances change and they suspend it til they get the new information, but if you get it to them quickly (ie. if you change jobs etc getting less or more money) they sort it out very quickly and always backdate it.

There definitely is property out there and you are entitled to help with your rent and there are only a minority of landlords who won't accept it at all, but they are scammers and not worth the trouble!

Most landlords know that a housing benefit is a guaranteed rent and as long as you are a tenant of good standing, who can make up any shortfall, they'll be happy to rent to you, I've helped a number of friends and myself, as a single parent (and at the time student, and subsequently, a period of low paid work) and have just never experienced what you are talking about and yes, whilst I have had a number of less than adequate properties, or good properties that cost a fortune to rent, my daughter and I have always had a decent roof over our heads.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL
 


Have you tried the link I posted earlier, there seems to be quite a few properties in the GU postcode area that accept benefits

Here it is again

DSS Accepted GU area


This website you gave me is a scam. All the do is give you listing to the actual agency but they charge you mega bucks for the pleasure.

All of there "properties" either don't exist or can be found for free on the actual letting agent sites.

I knew I didn't trust that site.

www.scamwarners.com...

ALS



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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You work from the moment you wake up until you fall asleep, and can't afford an apartment? How many hours we sleeping a day? Why doesn't the wife work?

I can't believe you would mooch off your mother in law, and in all the time you lived there never tried to do something about your situation. Did you think that gravy train was going to last forever? You come to a freaking conspiracy site a month before you're out on your behind to ask for help. These sound like the actions of a 15 year old, not a grown man that has a family to look after.

I understand that times are tough, and that people need help once in awhile. I'm not judging you for needing the government to house you, I'm judging you for not being proactive about your housing situation, and then posting about it on the internet. Are you such a man child you can't help yourself?



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:03 AM
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I earn on average about £1100 a month rent in my area is between 800-900. That leaves me with 200-300 to pay council tax, food, electric, water, gas and child care. "mooch off of my mother-in-law", nice. I pay her 400 for the pleasure of a room.

I'm suprised at your tone Domo. Your a long time member here. Have you learnt nothing?

Do you work? Are you really that much of a man child that you feel compelled to offence when it is not needed?

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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Are you claiming your working tax credit and your child tax credit? Also on wages that low with a child you will be entitled to help with your rent

And as for that site being a scam, how is it costing mega bucks as you put it, it is an 0845 number! And there are reasonable properties in your area that will accept DSS but I'm sort of getting the impression that you are determined to find fault with every suggestion offered and instead want to lawyer up, which although will prove you are entitled to decent accommodation that you can get rent assistance with, ultimately is not going to find you a house!



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