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Originally posted by GD21D
Let me get this straight.Because the ideal of hell was written in a book it makes it an absolute truth? You consider this irrefutable evidence?
Originally posted by GD21D
Let me get this straight.Because the ideal of hell was written in a book it makes it an absolute truth? You consider this irrefutable evidence?
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by GD21D
Let me get this straight.Because the ideal of hell was written in a book it makes it an absolute truth? You consider this irrefutable evidence?
Let me get this straight. Because the ideals of the Constitution were written in a book, does it make it less than truth? You are here posting with your freedom of speech, suppose the Constitution were merely an ideal instead of reality, would you be permitted to say these things?
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What is hell?
Really, what is it?
BTW: How can a judge and sound god even think about punishing humans by throwing them FOR ETERNITY into hell? What will they learn of that? How could anyone be taught by that to not do evil things? Oh right, by scaring them with stories from the holy book.
Man, am I glad that I really, really don't have to follow that book.
Originally posted by GD21D
Let me get this straight. Because the ideal of hell was written in a book it makes it an absolute truth? You consider this irrefutable evidence?
Are you using the Constitution as evidence that god exists? I can't really reply because you didn't solidify your argument with any real substance, but let me try.The Constitution and Bill of Rights are nothing more than an idea. An idea of what's right and what's wrong on a governing level. The idea of freedom of speech doesn't protect my ability to speak freely any more than the actual piece of paper the Constitution is written on.Example: The Constitution says we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now let's say someone is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot you. If you hold the Constitution in front of you will it protect your right to life? Will it stop that bullet? The constitution is an idea built on a consensus from a group of people, just like the idea of a deity. An idea that has had to be amended 27 times.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Let me get this straight. Because the ideals of the Constitution were written in a book, does it make it less than truth? You are here posting with your freedom of speech, suppose the Constitution were merely an ideal instead of reality, would you be permitted to say these things?
(Psalm 9:17), "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What is hell?
Really, what is it?
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What is hell?
Really, what is it?
Originally posted by Neph89
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by GD21D
Let me get this straight.Because the ideal of hell was written in a book it makes it an absolute truth? You consider this irrefutable evidence?
Let me get this straight. Because the ideals of the Constitution were written in a book, does it make it less than truth? You are here posting with your freedom of speech, suppose the Constitution were merely an ideal instead of reality, would you be permitted to say these things?
You are running away from the point, the constitution didn't come from an imaginary friend and does not address fantasy worlds of pain or pleasure.
Please don't mix two different contexts
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by UnaChispa
Thanks for that.
Again though, kind of subjective to the individual. I can honestly say that not having God in my life hasn't adversely affected me in any way! I still have morals and values which i try to live by in order to live a "good life". This is not from deep rooted subconscious desire to conform with religion, rather from a deep set subconscious desire to live well with my fellow man.
If religion gives these values and morals to people then great, that is all to the good. My point is that religion is not a prerequisite for living a good life and therefore, for me, i simply do not accept that my lack of belief condemns me to hell.
All the best though.
. . . so much detail concerning the eternal destiny . . .
If you go back a bit into verse 15, you see it is including the trees of Syria going down to Sheol too, so it makes it a bit difficult to see it describing some place of punishment, especially when it goes on to say that it is a place where the "trees of Eden" will be comforted.
(Ezekiel 31:16), "I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him (Assyria) down to hell with them (lost) that descend into the pit (Sheol)..."