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Israel Wants Egyptian Forces out of Sinai

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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What I would like to see is an Israeli invasion of Egypt and them deposing the muslim brotherhood and installing a secular government. That would make me happy. And as a price for the trouble, I would take back the Sinai again and keep it this time.






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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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I did not imply that at all. Just stating the result of the conflict. Your own interpretation is your own business.

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I like how you make it sound like Israel was the one that was attacked when it was Israel that did the attacking.


I like how you make it sound you know my opinion prior to me mentioning it

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Nothing really changed much since previous wars Israel had with his neighbors.

Israel backed by USA technology has superior weapons, better training and enough human force for area it covers. In Israel military is not only profession like here in USA, everyone HAS military training, including women. (It was similar in country of my origin)

If attacked again, I am sure that Israel would be more then capable to defeat if not to win the possible war.

As someone mentioned early, this is in my opinion play with fire.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Well i would tend to agree, however history, if its anything to go by, does have a similar event with similar outcome.

Russia right after the 1917 Revolution was split into 2 unofficial groups :

The Reds and
The Whites

The Reds were the Bolshevik revolutionaries and they had control of the center of the country, including the rail road system

The Whites were anyone who opposed the Bolsheviks, now even thought the Whites outnumbered and outgunned (The whites were supplied by France and Britain),

The red won, due to the fact that the Whites were in actual fact, dozens of different interest groups, who all wanted to reverse the Revolution and take control away from the Bolsheviks, however all wanted different things for Russia after.

Therefore through lack of communication (Both due to lack of means, and lack of wanting to co operate) the Reds, were able to deploy their troops and beat back the Whites, every time an attempt of advancement was made by the Whites.


From that scenario, then it is clear, that the Bolshevik revolution, would not have lasted, if the Whites had central leadership and work in co operation.

And i see much the same for the 6 day war, if they Aggressors had agreed upon the spoils of war before the attack, and if they had set up a central command to ensure the synchronous use of their armies, then the 6 day war would have a different name, and in my opinion so would Israel.

Just my thoughts

Namaste.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Why does Amerika kiss Israel's ass so much? Oh wait there both working for the same powers.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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It does seem strange them complaining after they encouraged Egypt to tackle the militants in the area.

I think they may well be more worried because they plan to attack Iran, if other countries in the ME react badly to that attack, and Egypt run by the Muslim brotherhood has the potential to be one of those countries, having troops on their border means they can attack almost instantly and makes it more difficult for Israel, with Hamas and Hezbollah attacking over the border, Egypt attacking and what ever reaction comes from Iran it could end up very messy for Israel.

It is unlikely Egypt could be successful against Israel, but a lot of combined attacks while maybe not destroying Israel would certainly damage it.

Anyway Israel is nothing but a rabid dog, I have no sympathy for them, live by the sword, die by the sword as they say



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
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I am baffled as to why the story is now being spun to look like Egypt is some sort of aggressor. They are operating with the full knowledge of the Israeli's!


It's easy to understand why. Egypt's new president isn't the little American/ Israeli puppet like Mubarak. He's part of the "evil" Muslim Brotherhood.


Are you Joking? Morsi is US educated and has links to the CIA going back years, he was also the USA's and Israel's No.1 choice for the position. Hes even more of a puppet that Mubarak ever was.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a Masonic brotherhood and well known CIA, MI6 front organisitaion.

All this is just clever posturing on his part as he has a tough job to do, he has to do the bidding of his masters but has to keep the Jihadi's on side.

The Muslim Brotherhood was set up by the CIA, MI5 and Mossad with the specific purpose of overthrowing non compliant muslim regimes and replacing them with compliant, faux-democracys which are directly under control of the elite while using propaganda to fool the populations in those countrys into thinking their governments are democratic, independant and pro Islamic just like them.

socioecohistory.wordpress.com...




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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by Infinipus
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Israel scared?



With the might of the US firmly behind them?



They were too scared to ask Egypt themselves, so they had to get the United States to pass on the request so in that aspect yes they do appear to be frightened.

I'm not doubting the might of the Israeli military especially with the US backing them up so perhaps you took my post out of context.


That is probably because the Israelis know obama has a direct line to the muslim brotherhood over there. When Israel tried they wouldn't pick-up the phone.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Its pretty plain the Isreals Dont want these battalions on their back doorstep as they swng into war footing against Iran and any pother strays that may get in the crossfire...
The Egyptian forces could be there for just this reason.....
Like having a knife held at your back whle you contemplate heavy action with another foe.
believe they are there for deterrence and Egypts own....Jihadi problems, the two mesh nicely.....
I wonder if the extremists were even put up to the massacre just to get the tanks brought in.....
Seems all goverments have little qualms of killing their own to get results they want.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
What I would like to see is an Israeli invasion of Egypt and them deposing the muslim brotherhood and installing a secular government. That would make me happy. And as a price for the trouble, I would take back the Sinai again and keep it this time.


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Why are you condoning theft of Egyptian land?

I find that to be in poor taste.

Perhaps you support expanded settlements in the West bank as well, or maybe even for Israel to take the rest of Golan?

I would appreciate an elaboration on your logic for this wish of yours.

Heck, let's give them from the Euprhates to the Nile

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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When did Egypt abrogate the peace treaty with Israel?

The Sinai is a DMZ...



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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I left a link to The Calgarian's thread in my OP:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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It gets close to funny how people make continuos threads with no political/awareness path whatsoever.

Everyone is talking about this issue while forgetting another problem that the same members were debating a couple of days ago: the attack on Egypt forces.

This is just a development of that story, a troop movement - with Israel's consent - to prevent another attack on the Egypt side. It's in the best interest of both Egypt and Israel that the Sinai area is well controlled.

While it's the opinion of a few that the Treaty has been broken, I think this is a proof that the Treaty is actually working... Both countries decided to take action and respected each-other's concerns.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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It gets close to funny how people make continuos threads with no political/awareness path whatsoever.


That is your misguided opinion and nothing more.

This is a new development of a constantly changing situation.

I do not believe this is proof of "the treaty working" it proves to be the exact opposite in fact. The treaty has been broken so it obviously is not working.

And you speak of political awareness

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
Dont forget the Six Day War back in 1967 were Israel successfully held off the combined forces of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and UAE.


Between 776[3] and 983 Israelis were killed and 4,517 were wounded. 15 Israeli soldiers were captured. Arab casualties were far greater. Between 9,800[5] and 15,000[6] Egyptian soldiers were listed as killed or missing in action. An additional 4,338 Egyptian soldiers were captured.[7] Jordanian losses are estimated to be 6,000[9][10] killed or missing
and 533 captured,[7][8] though Gawrych cites a number of some 700 killed in action with another 2,500 wounded.[4] The Syrians were estimated to have sustained some 1,000 killed in action.[152] 367 Syrians were captured.[7]


Source

I do not under estimate Israels conviction in the least to defending their exsistance as a nation or to protect its interest.





6 days wars..??


My arse... credit goes to French/British and American hardware and personals...! you mean 10 freaking years old regime has the capabilities to stand and fight for 10 meters area..??

Hahaha

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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That is your misguided opinion and nothing more.


Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were the owner of all reason and knowledge.


This is a new development of a constantly changing situation.


A situation that exists since the 70's. Yelling "alarm" just because of a news article relating to a small disagreement in the deployment of military forces, is very unrealistic and unreasonable.

Egypt is stabilizing, and seems much more aware of it's regional importance. They are aware that if Iran falls, or other regional powers fall, Egypt will have the opportunity to "rise" again into a wealthy state.

People need to learn to separate political rhetoric to what is really going on. Egypt isn't going to risk a war they know they will provably lose.


I do not believe this is proof of "the treaty working" it proves to be the exact opposite in fact.


"That is your misguided opinion and nothing more."



And you speak of political awareness


Yes, quite often.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by MDDoxs
Dont forget the Six Day War back in 1967 were Israel successfully held off the combined forces of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and UAE.


Between 776[3] and 983 Israelis were killed and 4,517 were wounded. 15 Israeli soldiers were captured. Arab casualties were far greater. Between 9,800[5] and 15,000[6] Egyptian soldiers were listed as killed or missing in action. An additional 4,338 Egyptian soldiers were captured.[7] Jordanian losses are estimated to be 6,000[9][10] killed or missing
and 533 captured,[7][8] though Gawrych cites a number of some 700 killed in action with another 2,500 wounded.[4] The Syrians were estimated to have sustained some 1,000 killed in action.[152] 367 Syrians were captured.[7]


Source


I do not under estimate Israels conviction in the least to defending their exsistance as a nation or to protect its interest.


I like how you make it sound like Israel was the one that was attacked when it was Israel that did the attacking. That's why it only lasted six days they stopped the war before the other countries could retaliate.

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Your so far from the truth your making your own friends here sick.

Myth: Israel's attack was unprovoked.

Fact: In speeches for at least the previous two years, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser had been threatening war. Terrorists supported by Syria and Egypt dramatically increased their attacks, from 41 raids in 1966 to 37 in the first four months of 1967. Syria used the Golan Heights as a platform to continue the shelling Israeli villages near the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret (Sea of Galilee). On April 7, 1967 Israeli retaliated, shooting down six Russian-built Syrian MiG fighters. Early in May, Moscow falsely told Syria that Israel was mobilizing forces for a massive attack. Syria then invoked its joint defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israeli Independence Day, Egypt began moving troops into the Sinai Peninsula toward Israel's borders. The following day, it requested that the United Nations Emergency Force — installed to help keep peace after the 1956 Sinai Campaign — evacuate, which UNEF did. By May 18, Syrian troops were ready for battle along Israel's northern frontier. The same day the Voice of the Arabs radio declared that "we shall not complain any more to the U.N. about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping and all foreign ships bound for Israel's Red Sea port of Eilat, an act of war that cut the route from Israel's main oil supplier, Iran. Nasser continued to threaten Israel, asserting on May 27 that coexistence was out of the question and that "the war with Israel is in existence since 1948." Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Other Arab countries sent forces to Egypt and Jordan to assist, and by June 4, approximately 250,000 enemy troops with more than 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft surrounded Israel. By then on a socially and economically unsustainable alert for three weeks, Israel's best option was to pre-empt Arab attack, which it did on June 5, first knocking out the Egyptian air force. Years later, Salah al-Hadidi, the Egyptian judge presiding over trials of army officers held accountable for the his country's defeat, admitted Egypt's responsibility for causing the war: "I can state that Egypt's political leadership called Israel to war. It clearly provoked Israel and forced it into a confrontation" (Michael Oren, Six Days of War, 310-11).



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the stage is being set for Israel's destruction? I mean, look at all the signs. Iran calls for unification of all Muslim nations against Israel. Egypt/Morsi call for 'thousands of martyrs to march towards Jerusalem" because their capital "will not be Cairo, or Mecca, or Medina...but Jerusalem." This wouldn't be the first time that Islamic factions/nations set aside their differences to kill a common Infidel. I don't think anyone gives the Muslims as much credit as they're due. How many times have we seen these so-called "puppets" turn on their masters (if indeed they are a CIA operation)? Gaddafi, Assad, Sadaam, Ahmadinejad? If these were folks TPTB or Israel wanted as the leaders of Muslim nations, why on the world would they create insurrections and promote Islamic extremism via CIA/terror funding in these nations to REMOVE from power the very same "puppets" that they intended to be leaders.

Uh huh. Right. I'm just not buying it. You guys are digging too deep with this MI6/Psyop that stuff and ignoring the finer details. And that is what the majority of the world experiences and sees regarding this situation. Most average citizens don't and WON'T EVER know that the FSA, Lybian, and Egyptian uprisings were not pure, or that Al-CIA-da is exactly that...a CIA operation. Most people will see this for what they're given on the screen or through the bold text of the headlines.

Assad and Gaddafi were backed into a corner because they were 2 of the 4 nations in this world that was outside of the monopoly of resources, and out of the control/influence of the Rothschilds and Big Banks and the UN. They are the Muslims that TPTB couldnt keep control of. Stop ignoring the fine details. Monopoly of Oil and Resources are mainly what this is about...and if they can exploit and incite the biggest religious/racial war (aka a modern - day crusades) in the process with the help of the jesuits, then why not?

In order to fulfill this whole NWO/One World Totalitarian Socialist Government, 2 things need to happen.
Religion (namely Christianity) has to go. The other, western democracy and capitalism. How the UN & TPTB will do that, well, we have front row seats to the show. It's been happening since before Anders Breivik. The Crusades was the true Cold War. Now TPTB have the whole world as their stage, and after Old Jerusalem/Zion is smashed, the puzzle will be completed, and the world will become their new Zion. ( London 2012 Olympics anyone? Phoenix from the ashes....praising industrialization and socialism...2016 Brazil Olympics slated around the time of completion for the 3rd Temple of Solomon...One World Trade Center...Helloo?!?!).

I don't get why everyone is digging so deep or looking to the sky for their truth and answers. Yes, it's all good research, but the stage was set a while ago for the destruction of Jerusalem...in the Bible. Even the truth movement is loaded with misdirection and disinformation to keep you focusing on anything but the truth!

Because let's face it, never in the history of the world have the (general, not EXTREMIST) Muslim leaders been easy to control. In no way, shape or form am I trying to promote these folks or their religious beliefs, but outside of the very exteme radicals that have been taking over due to CIA and government funding ( cant we also assume that Israel is behind the plotting of this as well? Their country is small, and the Muslims seek their destruction. What a better way to eradicate your current borders to prepare for the borderless, world-wide Zion that is coming than pay for your enemies to rise up just to be strong enough to defeat the small state of Israel, and pull the world's heartstrings all at the same time), the Islamic leaders that dont comply with the NWO/UN way are taken out swiftly. Look what happened to Assad and Gaddafi. What about Arafat or Sadaam Hussein? We could say they were all puppets for this and that, but if they were TRUELY intended to be compliant with NWO philosophy, then wouldnt you think theyd put leaders like Morsi in power before youd put a Muslim leader with differing views. I just don't think it makes any sense.
I think the Islamic group as a whole is not entirely trusted by either side, West or East simply because of this fact. I think they're much smarter than you think. Having twice as many children than most Europeans, and maintaining an entire way of life rooted in their religious beliefs for thousands of years. Good luck beating that, Illuminati or not. The Muslims will crush Israel, while the Russian and Chinese warships and military around the seas and waterways nearby could prevent an escape or as a warning for US/UK/Israel not to make any stupid moves. I'm willing to place bets that Iran wont get bombed very hard (because they have IMPORTANT oil/mineral resources,not to mention a much bigger piece of land than puny Israel), and in fact, Israel will be the ones finding...



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Well its another, What Israel wants thread.
It seems thats all we hear about nowadays here on ATS.
Israel wants wants want wants,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Im sick to death hearing about what Zionist controlled Israel wants.

The Zionists take up only a small fraction of this world and yet they are all we hear whinging on the TV all the time about how they are always the ones being wronged.

The only reason the world has to put up with Israels lies is because the Zionist Jews control the USA congress, the USA government and runs the worlds banking system.

I cant wait for the day that the world see's through Israels lies and makes Israel fight their own battles.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Themselves on the defensive after the initial attack. There are millions of Palestinians, Iranians, Egyptians, and so forth surrounding the state of Israel and placing AAC and AT weaponry on the border that it's silly to assume that Israel even has a shot in hell. Let's get this straight. It's safe to say that the entire nation of Israel DOES NOT want this war. Only Barak and Netanyahu are bangin the war drums. And when they find out that our communist of a president ( well, they knew all along) wasn't going to offer aid because he promised the American people he was going to get us out of Afghanistan already. He knows this and is going to play that card so he is insured his second term. Romney will more than likely take us to war against the Muslims and Russia and China. Obama will most likely allow the commies to come right over as soon as Israel falls and Eurabia is set in motion. It's all happening right before our eyes, and we're still looking into the sky for planets on a collision course, and we're still researching demons and ages old entities from fairy tales and storybooks as if that's going to offer us ANY help with the coming situation. # will still be # regardless of how many times you try to paint it.



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