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Paul Ryan and Todd Akin co-sponsored 8 anti-abortion bills in 112th Congress

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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12
...Libertarians will eventually take over the American political scene.


Dare we hope? The thought makes me giddy!




If and when Roe vs Wade is ever overturned; that will be the signal for me to sell out and become an expat, settle down on some nice beach front, and enjoy a lifestyle that I've always longed for without all the hateful "people like you" comments.


Want some company?




posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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But I am for the individual. I am for the one, sole, single individual that so few give a damn about.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Good. It is not a woman's right to murder an unborn child.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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in·di·vid·u·al/ˌindəˈvijo͞oəl/
Adjective: Single; separate:

You favor the rights of a clump of cells over the fully-formed woman's right to her own health decisions? Pregnancy is FULL of risks, you know? Women die giving birth. My niece died from complications of childbirth, leaving her newborn infant to be raised by the young father. I don't want sympathy I want to let you know I have personal experience. Isn't it a woman's right to decide if she wants to expose herself to the risks involved in pregnancy?



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by beezzer
 


in·di·vid·u·al/ˌindəˈvijo͞oəl/
Adjective: Single; separate:

You favor the rights of a clump of cells over the fully-formed woman's right to her own health decisions? Pregnancy is FULL of risks, you know? Women die giving birth. My niece died from complications of childbirth, leaving her newborn infant to be raised by the young father. I don't want sympathy I want to let you know I have personal experience. Isn't it a woman's right to decide if she wants to expose herself to the risks involved in pregnancy?




The woman has a choice.

She can have sex or not have sex.
She can (if pregnant) have the baby or kill the baby.

The unborn child has no option. He/she is at the mercy of another. He/she has no rights. The "state" has determined that he/she does not deserve any rights.

Once upon a time, there were people (adults, children, men, women) who had no rights. They could also be killed with impunity.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
Hmm, i believe i just read a story where a man strangled his pregnant girlfriend, and in turn, of course, killing the unborn child.

He is being charged with two murders. The one of his girlfriend and the one of his unborn child.

Double standards make complete sense.

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If you have ever gotten an abortion because you dropped your pants one to many times, you are a murderer and deserve life in prison or the death penalty. I would say that to your face if you stomp around saying you got an abortion and it's your right to kill children. Screw condoms and birth control right? Just kill em.
edit on 22-8-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


This is the most ignorant argument you can make on the topic of abortion. If the mother has chosen to keep the fetus, and someone else kills it, that is murder. If the mother chooses to have a LEGAL abortion, its not. Pretty cut and dry really.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
He/she has no rights.


Exactly. A clump of cells doesn't have rights. Cancer doesn't have rights. Its cells divide and grow. What about the rights to life of cancer?

Beez, we aren't going to agree on this. EVER. I get your opinion. I disagree with it. I'm a woman and I've been pregnant. Keep the law OUT of my body. Must we hash this out in every thread?



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Must we hash this out in every thread?


Apparently.

Because you haven't apologised and agreed with me.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Must we hash this out in every thread?


Apparently.

Because you haven't apologised and agreed with me.


And there in, is the crux of the matter....

It's not about freedom, rights or personal responsibility; it's about control of others.


The arrogant mind set of thinking "Love it or Leave it" "My way or the Highway" etc.
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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Must we hash this out in every thread?


Apparently.

Because you haven't apologised and agreed with me.


And there in, is the crux of the matter....beezzer is awesome!



See?

I can edit and reinterpret posts also!

This is fun!



(edited to illustrate a point)
edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12
And there in, is the crux of the matter....

It's not about freedom, rights or personal responsibility; it's about control of others.


That's exactly it. If it doesn't have to do with religion or them making more money, they're against it.

Keep women from their own health care
Keep gays from marrying
Stop the poor from voting
Stop the government from providing help to those who need it
Disallow people from enjoying recreational substances OR medical independence
Stop the advance of science
Stop Stem Cell research
Police the World!
Stop the tired, the poor, the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free

On the other hand:

Force organizations to operate under religious law
Allow religious expression, but not irreligious expression
Abstinence only education
Teach Man and Dinosaurs were buds

The Democrats are guilty of this double standard, too! That's why I don't belong to either party. They're both corrupt and controlling of the individual. Ack! It's frustrating!



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.


But only when it comes to the clump of cells. Not for the mother.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer
I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.


But only when it comes to the clump of cells. Not for the mother.


So individuality is okay just as long as it's equal but separate?

(It's been done. It failed.)
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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer
I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.


But only when it comes to the clump of cells. Not for the mother.


So individuality is okay just as long as it's equal but separate?

(It's been done. It failed.)
edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)


individuality doesnt exist in terms of a clump of cells. Thats what you are ignoring. A clump of cells is NOT an individual.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer
I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.


But only when it comes to the clump of cells. Not for the mother.


So individuality is okay just as long as it's equal but separate?

(It's been done. It failed.)
edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

individuality doesnt exist in terms of a clump of cells. Thats what you are ignoring. A clump of cells is NOT an individual.


An unborn child is an individual. The "state" does not recognise it, you don't recognise it. BH doesn't recognise it.

But there was a time when racists didn't recognise blacks as human either. That changed.

I wasn't around in the fifties.

But I'll speak for those who aren't recognised now.

One day they (the unborn) will have rights.



edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You favor the rights of a clump of cells over the fully-formed woman's right to her own health decisions?

This isn't a clump of cells .
This is a preborn human ... she sucks her thumb, she plays with her toes, she opens and closes her eyes... and the biggie ... she feels pain. She feels the pain of being burned to death or dismembered in the womb ...



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by beezzer
I'll never stop arguing for the individual that can't speak for him or herself.

Individuality. Even if you all don't recognise it or allow it, is important to me.


But only when it comes to the clump of cells. Not for the mother.


So individuality is okay just as long as it's equal but separate?

(It's been done. It failed.)
edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

individuality doesnt exist in terms of a clump of cells. Thats what you are ignoring. A clump of cells is NOT an individual.


An unborn child is an individual. The "state" does not recognise it, you don't recognise it. BH doesn't recognise it.

But there was a time when racists didn't recognise blacks as human either. That changed.

I wasn't around in the fifties.

But I'll speak for those who aren't recognised now.

One day they (the unborn) will have rights.



edit on 22-8-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)


All fine and good, 'cept a clump of cells is not an "unborn child".



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You favor the rights of a clump of cells over the fully-formed woman's right to her own health decisions?

This isn't a clump of cells .
This is a preborn human ... she sucks her thumb, she plays with her toes, she opens and closes her eyes... and the biggie ... she feels pain. She feels the pain of being burned to death or dismembered in the womb ...






oh goody, now we get the shock tactics. Nobody here is advocating late term abortion. Nice try though.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Go ahead.

Use your rights to deny the rights of others that you feel are beneath you. Many others will join you so you won't feel alone.

You can deny rights as a group!



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