History on the verge of repeating, not even ten years after the Iraq war began

History is on the verge of repeating itself in less than a decade-

The Iraq war saw the deaths of thousands of American soldiers, the death of over a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians, many of whom were innocent women and children. Some estimates put the overall death toll since the Iraq war began at over 1 million.

Financially, America has spent $800 billion on the Iraq war and that is just the official figure. Some economists put the overall figure at more like $3 trillion. All paid for by the tax payer.

From the misery war causes and the huge bills which fall on the average working citizen, you would think the foreign policy makers would be finished with war. Surely it is time to invest the money at home, I don’t know, maybe try and save the economy or do something about the increasing unemployment figures?

But no, American policy makers are already discussing to prepare for a military conflict with Iran, the policy makers have decided the most important aim for American foreign policy over the next year is to prevent Iran getting a nuclear weapon at any cost, even if it means yet another war.

I want to use this thread to share some links that I have come across recently, because to look at the Iraq war and it’s build up is to see the same pro Israel lobby push for another war, this time in Iran. The decisions are not down to the people, the last thing the American people want is another war, but to see the following links and videos is to develop an understanding of the reasons why these wars happen over and over again. Hopefully I will be able to demonstrate that the forces that took us to war in Iraq are at work again, with the pre-text for war in some instances exactly the same as in 2003.

The lies told by politicians in the build up to the Iraq war-



That video is a very fine example of the outrageous lies the US administration told the public to sell the war to the people- the WMD fabrication, that Saddam was intent on using WMD against America, this was the lie that resulted in the invasion of 2003.

Today, we say the same approach, just Iran is the target-



I guess it is clear to vote for Romney is to vote for war but the point remains, they use the same fear mongering to push the war.



So another pre-text for war has been developed and pushed into the minds of the people. ‘Nothing is off the table and it is essential for the safety of the world’- very similar to the WMD argument- that they plan for war in the name of the greater good- to improve security. It’s lies. Flat out, propaganda lies.

Here is a quote from a letter sent to the US President in 1998 by the Project for the New American Century- signed by two of the biggest proponents for the Iraq war (amongst many others who signed the letter)- namely Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz-

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months.

Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard.

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

So basically, the pro Israel lobby pushed for many years with the argument that Saddam Hussein was developing WMD and that the policy of ‘containment’ was failing as they believed it was only a matter of time before he got them. As diplomacy was failing, the policy of military action was required. They had to act because it was ‘too dangerous’ to wait and let Saddam use them.

This argument is being re printed by the Israeli lobby right now regarding Iran.

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It is unclear whether the Israeli air force would be able to destroy many of Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear sites without U.S. help, U.S. and Israeli officials say.
“Right now the Iranian regime believes that the international community does not have the will to stop its nuclear program,” Mr. Netanyahu said in Jerusalem on Wednesday, with Mr. Panetta by his side. “This must change, and it must change quickly because time to resolve this issue peacefully is running out.”

Mr. Netanyahu said Iran didn’t appear to believe U.S. statements that all options were on the table.

“You yourself said a few months ago that when all else fails, America will act,” he said to Mr. Panetta. “But these declarations have also not yet convinced the Iranians to stop their program.”

Not even a decade after the Iraq war began, we are at the verge of yet another war at the insistence of the Israeli lobby-

"President Obama has reiterated to prevent that from happening. He stated clearly that all options are on the table and that American policy is not containment," said the Israeli premier. "Israel has exactly the same policy".

People forget the lies that were told to sell war not even ten years ago. Don’t fall for the same lies again. I believe for the first time in a long time that the US election results can make a difference to how this turns out.

Bill Clinton was too busy with interns and let Bin Laden get away, numerous times.
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
Bill Clinton was too busy with interns and let Bin Laden get away, numerous times.
newsbusters.org...

yea Clinton had a thing for fat girls and cankles.....Osama has no cankles......

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Couldn't agree more.... There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone and the events today have their roots in things that happened anywhere from within the last year to the hay days of CIA idiocy in the 1950's when they installed the Shah. We broke it...broke it... got busted in the chops in 1979....and now are about to break the place again. I wonder how things would have gone if we'd left them alone to go their own way back in the start?

History is repeating itself...What an apt phrase to use. The history of 60 years...almost exactly.

Check this out from haaretz online news this morning.

Israeli defense officials consult with Rabbi Ovadia Yosef over Iran strike. Some want the spiritual leader of Haredi party Shas to support a strike, others to oppose it. At least one visit, in which the rabbi was briefed on Iran's nuclear program, came at Netanyahu's behest.

A few quotes from the good rabbi here.

On arabs

In 2001 Yosef was quoted as calling for the annihilation of Arabs, instructing his followers that "It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."[

On non jews...

According to Rabbi, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews. The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator. “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat. According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews. “In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said. “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created,” he added.www.jpost.com...

My point being, history will always repeat itself when people follow fanatics like this. Here you have the most powerful political and military leaders of Israel flocking to this man for a blessing to start a war basically.

Yes history repeats, but this is becoming dangerous for you American people, and us, the European puppets.
The whole world is our ennemy, the 'western world' has clearly developed a very bad image. Even if the Russian image is not much better with their pussy riots etc....which our western media are, of course, making great headlines about...this show that our image is bad, because our media are doing their best to depict Russia and China and others as bad and evil....so as to hide our own evil actions.
All of this looks bad, bad, bad
We, the people, the electors, claiming that we are democracies, should stop this. This is becoming a matter of life and death, of survival. I suppose none of you wants war. We need to wake up and give democracy its real sens.

But the US have to be at war.........

Are they never at war?

Very similar to the Rolling Stones.......

Always on tour............

Originally posted by RELDDIR
Bill Clinton was too busy with interns and let Bin Laden get away, numerous times.
newsbusters.org...

Care to explain to us what Osama Bin Laden had to do with the Iraq war? The core reasons cited by Bush and his supporters was Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, so where does Osama fit in? Did Bill Clinton tell Bush to declare war against Iraq because of Osama Bin Laden? Explain to us what exactly you are implying here.

The point is guys, you were lied to on an almost unbelievable level in the run up to the Iraq war, and it is literally happening all over again with Iran.

This link adds information on the subject:
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That's not entirely true. If you look into the facts, William Cohen, the Republican Sec. of Defense under Clinton, said himself in his book that Clinton was very proactive against Osama, but came against a lot of opposition from within the GOP.

The same people that blame him now, were the people holding him back then.

I invite you to do some research and read Cohen's book.