What is your problem with "matter" ? Why can't you agree when it is said, for example, that it is the brain which gives birth to consciousness ? Why
do you think that matter is so unsacred, so impure, so lowly and vile?
I have no problem to acknowledge, for example, that "love" and other emotions are given birth by chemical and electrical events in the brain, because
I clearly understand that trying to explain the mechanisms which give birth to those emotions are not an attempt to explain the emotional content or
even to diminish the importance that those emotions have for us. There are two separate things : the thing, and the mechanisms which give birth to the
Because I don't see matter like a vile thing, I can say that consciousness is born in the brain, and that doesn't diminish the importance or the
complexity or the deepness of consciousness. You have to keep in mind that we still don't really know what matter is. And if you believe that
consciousness can be separated from the brain, all I can say is "I don't know", because it could be true. I can easily imagine that brains are some
kind of incubators for consciousness, and once the brain dies, the consciousness continues a "life" of his own. But this is speculation.
There is a clear separation in human knowledge between what is of matter and what is of the domain of the mind, and this is a mistake. Here is what I
wrote somewhere else on the subject :
"Since the dawn of times, man has found himself different from other species, he found that he was capable of doing things that no other species was
capable of, that he was the only bearer of the gift of creative intelligence and language, and it then became easy for him to believe that he has been
chosen amongst all of the species of planet Earth, to the point that even until today, some humans believe that all other species exist only to serve
the chosen one. This vision has been perpetuated until today by various religions and philosophies. This belief has a side effect : it creates a false
dichotomy between mind and body : the mind is the gift, it's of celestial and pure origin, while the body is what humans have in common with other
mammals, thus it represents what is lowly terrestrial, basely material and common ; the belief implies that the gift is perfect as it is and that
consequently it would be pointless to try to improve it, or that it is blasphemous to even try. The belief also implies the opposite conclusion
concerning the body : since it is not sacred, humans have no scruple improving it. The mind is immanent, divine and perfect, and the body is vile,
measurable and transformable. While in reality the mind and the body are interconnected and couldn't function without each other, they can be
symbolically separated within thought and language, thus leading to outcomes that are not adapted to the reality of what exists. Exact science is the
measurement of the terrestrial, and social sciences is the expression of the divine mind : “what I want is what I want”, “my opinion has
importance”. We can see the outcomes today : a clear separation between exact sciences and social sciences, a compartmentalization between
disciplines leading to a lack of communication between them, and also a clear difference in the results achieved.. I like to think sometimes that the
humans living today are not really different from humans who have lived thousands of years ago, and in fact there is little difference, because
culture keeps conveying the same symbols and concepts."
So, it is clear that we consider matter to be a vile thing, and we shouldn't. Either everything is sacred, or nothing is sacred. And it is also
important to note that when everything is sacred nothing is sacred, because the "sacred" quality is used to separate things, to consider that some
things are noble and some other things are not, so if you think that everything is sacred, it means that nothing is sacred because the "sacred"
quality loses its purpose and sense.. The truth is that things just exist, they are here, and because they exist they all have the same quality,
independently of what you may think.
I want you to start considering, as a temporary medicine, that matter is something noble, something deep and complex that can give birth to everything
else and to you.
edit on 20-8-2012 by gosseyn because: (no reason given)