Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Heresy
You are dead wrong!!! As a survivor myself of brutal rape, I can tell you this has nothing at all to do with sex!
Rape is about violence pure and simple!! It is about terrorizing the victim, humiliating them and making them feel
powerless! Sex indicates pleasure of some sort as in physical pleasure. There is no sex involved in rape.
You are missing one major point with your argument. We are not animals, we are humans and that sets us a part. You do not see in any specie, the male
beating the crap out of the female to overpower her. You do not see animals drugging their prey. Do not compare animals to humans in this instance,
it makes you look ridiculous.
Rape is also a hate crime. It is violating someones security at the deepest level. As far as your misguided evolutionary theory goes, it doesn't
hold up. As humans we are given a conscience and a mind to reason right from wrong, from a moral standpoint. Animals do not have this same ability.
Call it what it is, A VIOLENT CRIME!!!
Being a survivor of rape doesn't give you any idea as to what the motive is for the rapist. What the ordeal meant to YOU, and what the ordeal meant
to HIM are two completely different things. It's fairly obvious you don't have any idea as to the man's motivation because you said the following
"Sex indicates pleasure of some sort as in physical pleasure. There is no sex involved in rape. "
Which, by your own definition, rape IS sex. A rapist WILL be experiencing pleasure while raping women. To him it's sex. Just because it's violent
and traumatizing to YOU doesn't mean that's why he is doing it. He's doing it to get sexual pleasure.
Even during consensual sex often times men don't care about the woman's pleasure or emotional feelings. They are just having sex to have sex, not to
be close with someone, not to bond, there is none of the emotional attachment that women give to sex. This is the very reason that women don't think
sex is a part of rape, because their idea of sex is very different than a man's.
Sex is far more emotional for women, and far more physical for men. A woman would assume rape is about power, control, humiliation, etc because to her
sex has such a deep emotional aspect to it. She isn't experiencing any good emotions as a result of the rape, therefore to her it's not sex.
But SHE is not the one initiating the rape, the man is, against her will, hence what makes it rape. Which means the man's motives are what define
rape, and the man's motives in the majority of cases is simple sex. No doubt there are a few cases of masochists or other similar types that the act
of rape itself is what they like. They enjoy inflicting pain on other, watching them suffer, etc. But this is not the majority.
Take for instance date rape. Most of the times the women is not even awake while being raped. The man doesn't inflict any violence on her (other than
the penetration itself) the man is not watching her suffer, the woman doesn't even know what's going on, and the man wants to keep it that way. He
does NOT want the woman to know she was raped.
Which means to him it's simply about sex. He wants it, can't get it, so he has sex with a woman against her will. If it was about power, control,
and inflicting pain and suffering then he wouldn't drug her up. He would want her to be conscious to experience suffering. He doesn't do that
though, because his goal is not to inflict pain or suffering, his goal is simply to experience the pleasure of having sex.
I'll repeat that just because someone was raped doesn't give them any more authority to say what rape is or the motive of the rapist. I'll give an
Say an arsonist burns down a business. The victim of the arson doesn't necessarily know the motive of the arsonist. The arsonist might have been
trying to kill the victim. Might have been trying to destroy evidence. Might have just set the fire because they like setting fires, and there was
nothing more to it.
None of this is to be construed as me defending anything having to do with rape. I think it's arguably THE worst possible crime imaginable, possibly
worse than murder, because the victim lives on. Someone who is murdered is dead, they aren't suffering. Someone who is raped will suffer the rest of
their life, which is why I think it's even worse than murder.
I just don't understand why so many people refuse to admit that, for the rapist, most of the time rape is simply about sex. There are exceptions of
course. I just don't understand the resistance. Does it somehow make it worse if the rapist is doing it for sexual gratification instead of other
reasons? I'd really like to understand the resistance to the idea, if anyone could explain it to me.