My problem with Conspiracy Theories......NWO, Illuminati, chemtrails, etc..........

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Sinny
Okay, I'll answer,

Even you choose to Ignore the fact societies such as Skull and Bones, CFR, The Rhodes Society, The Trilateral Commission and Builderburgers run 70% of the world behind closed doors, then all this CHAOS we see round the Globe is PURE COINCIDENCE.

You choose.

Who are the members of the Illuminati? See above societies and a handful of others.

If the NWO is happening (as many leaders and powerful people have ALREADY confirmed) why haven't they been stopped?

Maybe because they keep implementing new laws everyday to stop us taking action? and have used the tactic of Subversion.


The desire for power and influence has existed since we left the caves and discovered how to build weapons and make fire.. That isn't proof of the Illuminati however because there IS no proof for the Illuminati .. that is all pure speculation that all of those mentioned above are members of this mythical group.. they aren't unless there's evidence nobody has ever shared... and I mean actual evidence, not more commentary and more speculation.

Conspiracy theories love to go for doom and gloom angles and attribute it to shadow governments or one big powerful group behind everything.. but there's zero evidence for that.

What is there evidence of? well sure as the OP pointed out, there are indeed GROUPS of large powerful people out there who attempt to use their fame, money or power to influence things in the world.. but I hardly think it's anywhere near as dark and evil as most people tend to think on ATS ... there's never proof provided, only speculation and more theories.. or versions of old theories..

You get thrown the original "Well I won't look it up for you, the evidence is all around you" or "WAKE UP" .. "Sheeple", "Disinformation agent" ... all of which is not in the least productive or working towards any real answers... I've read tons of information, watched lots of video and heard most of the arguments.. and still seen no actual evidence.

However.. this is what ATS is good at ... speculation, and indeed that is what conspiracy theory is all about.. all I would ever ask is that people remember that they are only theories.. if they are to be asserted as any way factual, or to be taken as such.. then evidence needs to be provided..

I come to ATS to look at possibilities, I rarely come expecting actual facts.. I know what to expect.. but you do find those amazing threads sometimes that provide great information with facts to support them that you simply knew nothing about.. that makes it all worth while.. ATS is like an excavation site for me, you have to dig and dig.. but you usually find gold if you look hard enough.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by Poveglia

Ok, sorry not trying to argue, but that still leaves the motive behind the NWO. If it is simply "to rule the world", well arent they already doing that through the MSM, laws, police forces, pure brainwashing, etc?

It seems to me that many are convinced that they are already running everything, so what more do they want? If it is money, they already have that. If it political power, they already have that too in some peoples minds. If it is to be in control of every action you do throughout your mundane lives, well they basically are doing that as well, by owning the stuff you buy, who you work for, etc....

Yes, these group exist, but no one here has been to a meeting, so everything we "think" they are doing, is pure conjectures.

You also bring up all the chaos as pure coincidence, I believe that is the nature of the human experience. It appears to be all chaos, because no one can see the whole picture. Or it just really is pure chaos.


Sorry to use the entire quote, but for context I felt it necessary.

Also, how are such ruthless powerful men who crush anyone who gets in their way, what is the boundary or guidelines that keep them in check, and keep them playing nice with each other? Or is it all just a large scale chess game for their entertainment?



you're looking at the surface.
you want real answers? big answers? then you have to go deep an you have to go esoteric.

you have to spend weeks with your head buried in the literature that outlines their esoteric agendas.
freemasonry, templar, jesuit, etc..

one thing you will come to find.. and find it hard to believe.. .
is that the prime apex of the human endeavor is to develop hidden abilities.
this will happen in a initial wave of a relatively small group of individuals all at once.

they will have superhuman abilities.. like gods.
the reason the world is being set up the way it is...
the purpose of the NWO..
is not for pesky humans and their janky protests and bee bee guns.

it's for godlike beings running around with new found abilities that rival any military force around.

that's what is up.

and no doubt you'll scoff.. but this is at the very ROOT of their esoteric agenda...

to actually trigger and force these hidden genes to blossom... and then to hope to control the scenario from that point on as much as possible.. until at least.. like minded superhuman gain the upper ground.

don't say nobody ever explained it to you .. when you see it happen in front of your face.


As to motive, I would say that a bulging global population is consuming resources at an unsustainable rate, and eventually, threatens the lavish lifestyles of the global elite. After all, to keep slaves, you have to feed and house them.


Who are the god-like beings? What ego could manifest their type of brutality?

www.canadafreepress.com...



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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The word "proof" is a major problem. What you mean by proof is a way to show you in ways that are agreed upon as proof. Currently this written, science, or first hand. There is plenty of that, an inordinate amount of it, some found on the web, most not. So proof isn't what you are after, as there is more then enough of that to be easily had.

There are no conspiracies, none, there are only plans, that, when they are all put together can equal what we call a conspiracy, but that thread that connects the plans is weak as the plans are sadly seen in parts, rather then a whole. Some folks planned to kill JFK, they did. But that event was part of one plan, and part of another plan, and another plan was created from it - it was not just "he got shot and died" though it can be seen that way too.

In order to understand certain aspects of what are calling NWO etc. is to try and get your head around the fact that not everyone is like you. There are people who you will never see, never hear their name, never know a thing about them, and they are not like you, they do not think like you, they do not emote like you, and there surely were not educated like you. To get further you must understand that not all is as you see, you see what you have been taught to see, a tiny fraction of a percent of the entire picture is what you see.

If you are a soldier you are taught that you kill to protect the people. This is kind of true based on one plan and you can see that. You also hear that you are killing to improve the lives of others, and in one plan this is also true. And you may have heard you are killing to secure assets for major corporations, and that is also true. And you may have heard that you are killing to make sure that countries all subscribe to to the IMF and central bank tentacles, and this is true too. What you may not have heard is that many wars are human sacrifices, providing energy to the unseen, but in order to understand that you need to know energy processes and know the unseen, and the see all of the plans at play. They are all valid.

The key to understanding what is really happening is to look at the great symbol. The all seeing eye. It stands for the unseen, not the bilderberg or any such stuff, but the unseen folks who control this reality - they see all. They also control all. At the top of the NWO as you describe are beings largely beyond your comprehension, in fact they programmed you not to comprehend them, so they may remain hidden. Their agenda is something beyond those of the stooges they employ. The NWO, CFF, Trilateral etc. are all made up of employees of these unseen. Most have zero idea about that they have gotten themselves into, and most will never know, but they are simply doing the bidding of the unseen, and, were the unseen to ever return to physical reality (something unlikely at this point) they would all be killed first as they sold out their own people for money and the unseen do not trust them.

To grasp what I have said you need to be able to comprehend the entire picture, not the way it has been presented to you, but the way it is. You have to be able to use senses beyond your standard system, and you have to be able to understand symbols that you have no programming for and this is not easy as there is so much going against it.

Do not ask for proof, you will never get it - ever. Ask to "know," as to "understand," ask to "feel," but don't expect another to show you something you cannot comprehend yet as that is impossible - you need to understand the language first, before you can see what is happening on the levels you question.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Well do you believe in Vatican conspiracies because I find the Vatican Conspiracies for interesting and far more realistic( The Catholic Priest Scandal, Suppression of Various Knowledge throughout the ages, etc).
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
Who are the god-like beings? What ego could manifest their type of brutality?


brutality? well guess that would be dependent upon the personality type of the newly "gifted" individual...
I guess a superhuman with exceptional paranormal abilities that paralleled the ones Christ exhibited...
yet displayed brutality as opposed to compassion...

could be called an anti-christ...

I mean articles and comparisons abound comparing Superman to Christ..

just look for yourself... www.google.com...
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Poveglia
Ok, so where and how is this occuring? Has anyone been triggered already? Is there a Professor X running around Indiana that we dont know about yet?

Also, why work so hard on controlling the populace and not just the individuals who will be triggered? Identify them, then buy them off, threaten their families, visit their facebooks to find out what they are interested in, etc?

People aren't too hard to control...with or without powers. Also, what exactly do I need to research to find out what you are talking about? Where did you hear about this? How do you know? What type of "powers" do people have? Can you at least point me into the direction of what you have read or researched?

Also, this sounds just like any other conspiracy theory, but with a new age twist...........


1st off.. the New Age Movement was created by Freemason Theosophists, for a reason.
If I were you, I'd research the writings of :
Nicholas Roerich
Manly P Hall,
H.P. Blavatsky,
Alice Bailey

Read about Nicholas Roerich and the Chintamani stone.
Watch the movie The Eye of the Phoenix on youtube.
and read up about the 25th degree of Scottish Rite Masonry , the Knight of the Brazen Serpent..
and more importantly, study Gnosticism, which Freemasonry is founded on.. and Kaballa.. the focus of Kaballa is to receive as the Creature, from the Creator... until you may, bit by bit, be more like the Creator... which is "the will to bestow".
Learn all you can of white tantra and sexual alchemy - the literal path towards human divinity...

this is everything they study... and it all leads toward human evolution .. genetic change.. and communion with the divine.

that should give you a push in the right direction.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
OP hope you like to read…

Behold a Pale Horse
Tragedy & Hope
Propaganda
Pawns in the Game
The Case Against the Fed
What Has Government Done With Our Money?
Forty Centuries of Price and Wage Controls
The Federal Reserve Conspiracy
Bloodlines of the Illuminati
Morals & Dogma

YouTube is nice but treat it as a tertiary source and nothing more. Also understanding Logical Fallacies helps a bit too. Have fun!


The book that got my attention was The Day the Dollar Died.

"The Day The Dollar Died" uncovers the truth about a one world economic system, a cashless society and a microchip implant. Paul traces the history of what really happened in the The Great Depression of 1929. Our Founding Father's warned us about the creation of what was called a Central Bank that would control our money supply. In 1918 we mysteriously got a Central Bank under the name of the Federal Reserve System. Who was behind the creation of the Federal Reserve System and how are those same forces at work today?Why were the same financial interests that put George W. Bush into power also the same interests that put President Obama into power? Who really controls America and the world?

Why does the media say almost nothing about the most powerful organization in America - The Council On Foreign Relations? Why is the goal of the Communist Party, the Humanist Manifesto and the United Nations the same? Their goal is a world socialist government and one world economic system and to microchip the population


The author provides a biblical perspective for the NWO and prophecy.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheCh0de
ILLUMINATI EXPOSED AT THE U.S. SENATE

www.youtube.com...


I wouldnt say that this is the Illuminati exposed at the US Senate, but I will say that he exposed the greed of big coorperations and lobbyists in Washington. Regardless, thanks a ton for that video! I really enjoyed watching that, and to be honest, that is the first time I've heard of Sen Bernie Sanders. I like this guy a lot!



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
Niceee.....

What can I give other than my own personal perspective? Which admittedly is probably flawed in some manner.

1.) There are most probably aristocratic allegiances that go a good ways back in history, maybe even to biblical times.


Most of the European aristocracy is directly traceable to Biblical times, as a matter of fact many claim in some way to be directly descended from David, son of Jesse and of the House of Judah.
www.scotlandroyalty.org...

The top families of the world are in power position, for the most part, as a result of historical victories. The expression of this power in modernity is money, and we find that an inter connected group of financial mega companies control the majority of the world's capital. Super-entity 147 companies

So, to the point that there is a higher society that does business together and they have huge influence on the world, I'd say that's true.


2.) Now to the question, is this group inherently evil? That's where I tend to differ a bit from popular ATS thinking. I think this higher society is highly intellectual and could be considered obsessed in both science and religion. If the bible is to be believed, a primary purpose is facilitating the coming messiah. A secondary purpose, as I see it, is passing on their knowledge to the common citizen.

Is the average person more aware/intelligent today than in 1900? Debatable.

Do we have access to much more information? Absolutely.

Looking at global society as it has played out leads to the conclusion of progress before oppression, as I see it. Most will accept this notion without question, as most people are more disposed to conform.

The people on this site, however, are probably more inclined to rebel. So we come to the conclusion that there is a shady group manipulating world affairs beyond the scenes, which there is, and then many follow that with a conclusion that the group is purposely oppressing. That's a much more speculative assertion.

Where it get's tricky is the lengths that the biblical aristocracy will go to bring messiah. Will they trigger tribulation? Hard to say.

I think the general mistake made by the unbending conspiracist is taking their own experience of being deceived and assuming that people who do not recognize hidden elements are oppressed. I think it is just the nature of large populations for the majority to assume the norm. That shouldn't be seen as an indication that the rulers are preventing growth.

Take America. 300 million people, everyone can access internet, everyone is entitled to education. A person of the lower class CAN become a millionaire, a congressman, or pretty much anything they have the capability of accomplishing.

Also, just because a person has the resource and influence to impact millions, doesn't mean they have any less a right to privacy...

3.) The highest tiers of society are likely no more aligned on politics/philosophy than the rest of us. Humans are unique and some may want a one world global government, some may want world war three, some may want to colonize the moon. Democracy was created by aristocrats, maybe for the purpose of settling their own debates...


Call me an optimistic moron, but looking at society I'd say it's set up pretty good and has potential to progress. While some ruminate about doom theories, I'll be planning entrepreneurial activity in the goal of eventually becoming wealthy and influential myself with the purpose of continuing to make society better.

Why not aspire to be on the Council of Foreign Relations pushing a peaceful agenda?

The citizen is not without opportunity...



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This is a beautifully executed reply! Thank you for that! I will comment on it in a sec (have to be off to work), but I definately am on the same page as you are on most of this.

Like I said earlier, I do believe in the guys behind the scenes, the puppet masters or what have you, but it is their motives, etc that elude me.

I believe they quite possibly team up on occasion where the agreements benefit each other mutually. But as far as an organized high level crime syndicate of evilness....well, lets just say I'm not buying that....



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
OP my heart goes out to you.

You came on here and basically opened yourself up to a posse of 'awakened ones'.

Keep it real. Many things that have been touted as fact so far on this thread are not facts but suspicions, some are just friggin horse sh*t.

I applaud you in your sincerity, and encourage you to continue to think critically and independently, especially of some of the fools on here.


Thank you brother. The way I see it, a lot of these conspiracy theorists are "sheeple" to some extent. They take the bare minimum of evidence (if you can call it that), mixed in with A LOT of assumptions, sprinkled with a pinch of coincidence, and wahlah! We have an "elightened individual" whose mission is to "wake up" the masses.....



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Sinny
Okay, I'll answer,

Even you choose to Ignore the fact societies such as Skull and Bones, CFR, The Rhodes Society, The Trilateral Commission and Builderburgers run 70% of the world behind closed doors, then all this CHAOS we see round the Globe is PURE COINCIDENCE.

You choose.

Who are the members of the Illuminati? See above societies and a handful of others.

If the NWO is happening (as many leaders and powerful people have ALREADY confirmed) why haven't they been stopped?

Maybe because they keep implementing new laws everyday to stop us taking action? and have used the tactic of Subversion.


The desire for power and influence has existed since we left the caves and discovered how to build weapons and make fire.. That isn't proof of the Illuminati however because there IS no proof for the Illuminati .. that is all pure speculation that all of those mentioned above are members of this mythical group.. they aren't unless there's evidence nobody has ever shared... and I mean actual evidence, not more commentary and more speculation.

Conspiracy theories love to go for doom and gloom angles and attribute it to shadow governments or one big powerful group behind everything.. but there's zero evidence for that.

What is there evidence of? well sure as the OP pointed out, there are indeed GROUPS of large powerful people out there who attempt to use their fame, money or power to influence things in the world.. but I hardly think it's anywhere near as dark and evil as most people tend to think on ATS ... there's never proof provided, only speculation and more theories.. or versions of old theories..

You get thrown the original "Well I won't look it up for you, the evidence is all around you" or "WAKE UP" .. "Sheeple", "Disinformation agent" ... all of which is not in the least productive or working towards any real answers... I've read tons of information, watched lots of video and heard most of the arguments.. and still seen no actual evidence.

However.. this is what ATS is good at ... speculation, and indeed that is what conspiracy theory is all about.. all I would ever ask is that people remember that they are only theories.. if they are to be asserted as any way factual, or to be taken as such.. then evidence needs to be provided..

I come to ATS to look at possibilities, I rarely come expecting actual facts.. I know what to expect.. but you do find those amazing threads sometimes that provide great information with facts to support them that you simply knew nothing about.. that makes it all worth while.. ATS is like an excavation site for me, you have to dig and dig.. but you usually find gold if you look hard enough.
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Thank you for this!



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
reply to post by Poveglia
 


Well do you believe in Vatican conspiracies because I find the Vatican Conspiracies for interesting and far more realistic( The Catholic Priest Scandal, Suppression of Various Knowledge throughout the ages, etc).
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To an extent. I know history itself has a lot of shady details and the perspectives of the victors....



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Good questions! Hell, it almost feels like I am looking in the mirror. Right down to your career and likes...but I am now retired.


I've always had a problem with the whole NWO thing and you point out the inconsistancies quite well in a summerized manner.

But as for the Chemtrails, I'm still on the fence on that one. The USG did admit to spraying chemicals back in the fifties and sixties over populated areas of unsupecting civilians, that is documented. Just to see what would happen.

Now they are saying that they are trying to seed the atmosphere in order to affect the weather? Who knows what is in those chemicals? They may actually be designed to produce rain, but what effect do they have on those of us below?

Things that make you say , hmmm?
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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I'll bite....

First you sound like someone who wants to learn about all this. What sort of woke me up was listening to the Alex Jones show. You can get the App for your smartphone or go to: Alex Jones Show

Like seriously that show will wake you up if you're not already listening. Many of the people on here listen to that that's how they actually know so much about what's going on.

Another good one is The Conspiracy Show with Richard Saret. To listen to that look it up on google. Or get the Tune In Radio app. Then search up the show and you can listen that way.


1.- If there is a NWO / Illuminati, where is the proof?

Well there's tons of books written on both. It's not something you can answer in a few sentenses. But here...This is G. Boosh Sr saying that it's coming. If the President telling us it's coming isn't proof then I don't know what would possibly convince you??




2.- If these guys do exist, what is the end goal? Say everything they want DOES occur, then what?

No one knows the future. But the bible in Revelations depicts to us the events as to whats' to unfold. The bible is always right. It's infallible. If anyone can prove to me otherwise I'd love to hear it! So read revelations.

3.- Who are the Illuminati members?

Google search images for: Illuminati Hierarchy and you will find tons of graphs showing the structure. Like this one. What you're seeing here I'll try and explain...

You have to understand that at the top of the food chain is Satan or Lucifier. He's a fallen angel that God imprisoned on earth. He was an arch angel. That means like a General of other angels. So super smart, powerful beyound understanding etc etc. This is a supernatural being. (extremely powerful, nothing at the level God is but still powerful)

Satan's whole thing is to immitate God. He sets up things to want to mimick God. What you're seeing below in the image are basically "denominations of his church". Each is is a different denomination. Similiar to Chatholics, protestants, baptist, penticostal, roman catholic etc etc etc. They're groups that focus on different agendas. All within Satan's system, or ruling heirarchy of authorities with the planet.

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4.- Moving on to chemtrails (sorry, my ADD), where is the proof for this as well?

Youtube search:
What are they spraying .... and ...... Why are they spraying 2 good documentaries on that.

5.- If we are all so brainwashed by MSM and TPTB are in so much control of everything, then why not just keep that control and allow things to go on as they are? The only answer I can see to this, is that there is no NWO and it is basically rogue, powerful individuals prying for more control and wrestling with other powerful individuals.

First: The greatest trick the devil plays on man is to make men believe he doesn't exist.

They've set up society to allow humans to work as free range chickens basically. That gives TPTB the maximum output of our time, money, and energy. Each country is basically nothing more than a big farm. And you're a chicken! lol The illusion of freedom makes for good productive slaves.

But ultimately these are evil people. You can't imagine how evil. Like your worst horror movie doesn't come close. So anything like wars, new clear wars, tyranny, oppression, brainwashing, mind control, imprisonsment is nothing to them. They want all that and much much worse. We likely won't see the chip being implimented in our generation, so be glad for that. Maybe by the time we're old and grey they'll have it to a point where it's an optional thing. But thats' the goal. Get everyone chipped. Sounds good in theory but according to the bible if you take the chip you can't go to heaven.

So anyway I hope you enjoyed this. Good luck. ... Remember often truth is much stranger than fiction. Now go watch that great moon landing doc that someone posted on here. ha ha.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 02:56 AM
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I think there is a substantial amount of evidence to suggest the financial elite have been manipulating economy for over a hundred years now. Specifically with regards to controlling inflation through central/world banks. Presidents have acknowledged it publicly, at last count it was 5+ presidents including the one that signed the Federal Reserve Act and regretted it. As I understand it the purpose is not just to be wealthy but to control wealth itself. It really just boils down to people are greedy, and it is easier for wealthy families to get richer... An easy first step is to just audit the Fed and see what the heck is going on.

Now on the topic of secret societies there could be a connection I suppose. Many of the societies do exist, but whether they are coordinating with eachother or are plotting world domination is another matter and not proveable at all. Based on what I've read it sounds like they are just VIP clubs so I'm sure many high ranking officials do know eachother through this type of social network.

As for chemtrails, I think they are totally bogus. I can't read anymore of those threads. As you pointed out where are the whistle blowers... Why would the NWO pollute the air that they breath themselves. There are far better ways to poison people such as water supply, GMO, and other... When a plane crashes where are all the chemicals... We drive a billion cars in the world and pump our own chemicals into the air already. It just doesn't make sense for chemtrails to exist. Bottom line... I spend more time reading about big foot than chemtrails and that is a proven hoax.

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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There's always a hidden agenda, but no matter what, I swear in the VERY end, it all comes down to money.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Sinny
Okay, I'll answer,

Even you choose to Ignore the fact societies such as Skull and Bones, CFR, The Rhodes Society, The Trilateral Commission and Builderburgers run 70% of the world behind closed doors, then all this CHAOS we see round the Globe is PURE COINCIDENCE.

You choose.

Who are the members of the Illuminati? See above societies and a handful of others.

If the NWO is happening (as many leaders and powerful people have ALREADY confirmed) why haven't they been stopped?

Maybe because they keep implementing new laws everyday to stop us taking action? and have used the tactic of Subversion.


The desire for power and influence has existed since we left the caves and discovered how to build weapons and make fire.. That isn't proof of the Illuminati however because there IS no proof for the Illuminati .. that is all pure speculation that all of those mentioned above are members of this mythical group.. they aren't unless there's evidence nobody has ever shared... and I mean actual evidence, not more commentary and more speculation.

Conspiracy theories love to go for doom and gloom angles and attribute it to shadow governments or one big powerful group behind everything.. but there's zero evidence for that.

What is there evidence of? well sure as the OP pointed out, there are indeed GROUPS of large powerful people out there who attempt to use their fame, money or power to influence things in the world.. but I hardly think it's anywhere near as dark and evil as most people tend to think on ATS ... there's never proof provided, only speculation and more theories.. or versions of old theories..

You get thrown the original "Well I won't look it up for you, the evidence is all around you" or "WAKE UP" .. "Sheeple", "Disinformation agent" ... all of which is not in the least productive or working towards any real answers... I've read tons of information, watched lots of video and heard most of the arguments.. and still seen no actual evidence.

However.. this is what ATS is good at ... speculation, and indeed that is what conspiracy theory is all about.. all I would ever ask is that people remember that they are only theories.. if they are to be asserted as any way factual, or to be taken as such.. then evidence needs to be provided..

I come to ATS to look at possibilities, I rarely come expecting actual facts.. I know what to expect.. but you do find those amazing threads sometimes that provide great information with facts to support them that you simply knew nothing about.. that makes it all worth while.. ATS is like an excavation site for me, you have to dig and dig.. but you usually find gold if you look hard enough.
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Illuminati..Illuminati..Illuminati...

Its just a name.. Call them what you will..

Powerful, manipulating, dark forceses are at work...



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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You are on the right track. I like the way you think.
Enjoy the beer. It will take some time to adjust on your return to "weak beer land". If you have the chance, please enjoy a Stylus 1878 and tell me how good it was.

Stay safe and thanks for your service.



edit to add: TO explain the mindset here, most folks start with a pre-conceived notion that their boogyman does in fact exist, then they set off to prove it. Going at it from that angle is much easier than the other. If they were truly objective, they would do the opposite.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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This is a fascinating thread and some excellent evidence has been provided so far.

I must say I agree with you OP - I sometimes feel that some of the larger conspiracies are just standing on pillars of smaller conspiracies...9/11 was a false flag, because of the NWO, to start a war, to get rid of incriminating evidence, satanic sacrifice.

I've always wondered how the whole NWO thing works, as to achieve their goal of complete power / dominion etc, the means by which they would use to achieve this would require pretty much complete power / dominion anyway.

Keeping the NWO / Illuminati as shadowy and hard to pin down does allow a massive amount of ambiguity when interpreting or attributing their actions. Seems rather convenient.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Poveglia
Ok, sorry not trying to argue, but that still leaves the motive behind the NWO. If it is simply "to rule the world", well arent they already doing that through the MSM, laws, police forces, pure brainwashing, etc?


Let me answer that question with another question;

What do you suggest their next move is (if they exist), if it's not what you describe?

There are few options out there for "TPTB" really, either they continually tighten control (to keep their power), which is needed because of the internet etc... people becoming aware to the fact that, even if there is no real TPTB, there ARE people with more power and control than others.

So I don't think it's a case of why are they moving on when they are already "ruling the world" (which they are not, you forget that you can't apply labels even to topics such as NWO because I don't believe they are almighty, I believe they THINK they are), it's more a question of; what should they do according to you then? What other options are there, besides continually maintaining control??





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