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Sociopath vs. Psychopath

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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
Sociopath and Psychopath are the same thing. The word psychopath is just the modern equivalent of sociopath.


Sociopaths are at the bottom of society, while Psychopaths are at the top.




posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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I am glad to see something like this posted. This is my first post here at ATS but I am a long term reader. I am what one would consider a "Self aware" sociopath. I fit all of the characteristics as labeled as having Anti-Social Personality Disorder. This is in no way shape and form the exact same as being a pyschopath. I have never done anything violent in my life, nor do I have any desire to. The real excitement a sociopath gains is from the mental personal interactions with others. Now to be honest I wish I wasnt this way, but as earlier stated this is no cure. I dont see the world the same way as others do. I will describe my feelings of the following information listed below.in regards to my own personal case. There are many sociopaths in society almost 3% they gather. I just dont see the world the same way that you do. When most people see someone on the ground who falls they rush to help them. In my brain I think great this guy had to fall when im here at the store, and if I attempt to help him he will probably sue me after the fact, thus its best to not get involved. Sociopaths live in their own world in their own set of rules. For example those that watch the tv show American Greed, often displays the victims of Ponzi schemes, I feel no remorse for these so called victims as their are greedy and gullible suckers who believed they would make 20% a month return on investment in some bogus business they didnt do their due dilligence on. I often will exploit this type of person very easily in my mind it is they who are the evil one and I who am the righteous one. This is another classic example of sociopath behavior in which I can spin anything that society deems wrong to fit my own installed laws and views. Ask me some questions? Maybe I will learn more about myself.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Some serial killers could be the executors for some secret organisations?
Some of them?



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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edit on 21-8-2012 by ScatterBrain because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Reply to ArcherEmissary

First, let me welcome you.

I starred your post although I don't necessarily agree with you, at all, but you made a good effort.
Especially for your first post.

Now let's get on with it.



I am glad to see something like this posted. This is my first post here at ATS but I am a long term reader. I am what one would consider a "Self aware" sociopath.


To be honest with you, in your one post your have displayed more characteristics of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) than anything else, but this is more or less impossible to quantify.
As I have said numerous times, the reason that psychopath and sociopath are no longer used is because diagnoses now reflect actual behaviors.

Both the Psychopath and Sociopath are the American way.
They have ideal personality traits for a profit making environment, because limited liability corporations have a government mandate to make as much profit as possible for their shareholders despite any moral or ethical obligations.


I fit all of the characteristics as labeled as having Anti-Social Personality Disorder.


Actually you do not.
Because you follow it up with this statement-

I have never done anything violent in my life, nor do I have any desire to.


Much confusion exists because people are filled with misinformation about Psychology.

The deciding factor in every single diagnosis is a behavior.

That is it mate. A Behavior


The real excitement a sociopath gains is from the mental personal interactions with others.


That is an incredible vague statement and Psychology is in the business of quantifying concepts.
This is why it relies upon behaviors to make diagnoses.
Behaviors can be objectively judged.
"Mental personal interactions" are ambiguous and in no way able to be objectively quantified by an outside observer.


Now to be honest I wish I wasnt this way.


If you were to actually be a socio/psychopath then you would not feel this way.
The one defining affective characteristic for both is a lack of empathy.
But, as I have said about a million times now, sociopath and psychopath are pop psychology terms and in no way clinical.
The reasons why should be obvious from my many posts.


I dont see the world the same way as others do.


No one does.
But the fact that you feel special because of this would qualify as a behavioral trait for NPD.


There are many sociopaths in society almost 3% they gather.


Who exactly are "they"?
And where did you get this prevalence rate?
A link would be nice to statistics like this if you actually want to make a point.


I just dont see the world the same way that you do.


Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Either that, or you could be engaging in attention seeking behavior.

Remember...
It is all about manifest behaviors.
The internal stuff is there to talk about with a pro, but it is generally NOT relied upon for diagnosis, unless of course you plan to harm yourself or someone else, but even then, it is the manifestation of a behavior.


When most people see someone on the ground who falls they rush to help them. In my brain I think great this guy had to fall when im here at the store, and if I attempt to help him he will probably sue me after the fact, thus its best to not get involved... For example those that watch the tv show American Greed...I feel no remorse for these so called victims...I often will exploit this type of person very easily in my mind it is they who are the evil one and I who am the righteous one.


You are describing the prevalent attitude in corporate America.


This is another classic example of sociopath behavior in which I can spin anything that society deems wrong to fit my own installed laws and views. Ask me some questions? Maybe I will learn more about myself.


Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
-Has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people.
-Requires excessive admiration
-Has a sense of entitlement.
-Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
-Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
-Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
-Shows arrogant, haughty behavior or attitudes.

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Sound like you?

This is real Psychology.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Ted Bundy is confusing causation with correlation. Every man in this entire COUNTRY looks at pornography.

It's like saying, "The most common influence among serial killers is drinking water," or "breathing air," or any number of other things that the vast majority of everyone does.

70% of men admit to looking at pornography. Source

There are between 30-50 active serial killers in the US at any given time. Source

That every serial killer looking at pornography is somehow a cause for their murdering is a ludicrous conclusion.

Since there are 120M males over the age of 16 in the us (and assuming that 40 of the serial killers are all male), it comes to 0.000033% of the population are serial killers... Hmmm... so 70% look at porn, and 0.000033% are serial killers... Worst conclusion anyone has ever made. But granted, Bundy didn't have the handy tools we have at our disposal to view the raw statistics like this.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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i personaly belive that it is mixture of both genetics and environment. i hate the thought that a child is born and will be this way without any environmental effects. I also do not like to think that there is no way of helping children from a young age without medication. Even if they naturally have the compulsion to behave in ways that cause danger and harm to other people. I like to belive that as some people have discussed we can educate right and wrong even if it goes againts that they do not have morals.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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When you say "another classic example of sociopath behavior in which I can spin anything that society deems wrong to fit my own installed laws and views." Is this like if someone told you their freind had died your automatic response would be oh how would this effect me, you would have to listen to them be upset when you dont want to and not really feel emotion for the sadness they would go through? If this is right i dont think you are i think you are being honest. I think most people feel this way. If i saw someone fall in front of me i think my response would be "oh no now i have to help them what if they dont want help and shout at me then i will look stupid, but then if i dont help them i will look bad" at the same time i would feel there embarrasement but that would be my first reaction.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.


If you have 3 more of the above characteristics you are considered a sociopath. I fit into every single one except any sexual rape, sexual abuse or or rage and abuse. I was never physically abused growing up as a child, however in a sense it may have been a behavior. Growing up from grade 1-grade 12, I went to a different school every single year including sometimes being pulled into and out of a school 2-3 times in a year during very early agle grades 2, then again grade 4, then again after grade 9. I was pretty much a straight a student this whole time even though these moves and was considered "gifted" at the time. Maybe it was a behavior I developed over the years. Maybe had I grown up in the same house and graduated high school with the same kids I went to first grade with I wouldnt be the way I am.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Rubicant13
Imagine all the things we take for granted. The emotions of joy when your child has been born. The pride that you feel when your son or daughter has graduated high school or college. The emotions you felt the day you got married. Imagine anything that makes you feel strongly for any reason - and then when you have that emotion in your mind, shut it off like a switch. Shut all of your emotions off for that matter. I couldn't even imagine going through life from birth and most possibly until death with out feeling anything.

It's not the same as having it and then shutting it off like a switch. You can't miss what you never had. You've had X your whole life, so of course you feel like a life without X is unimaginable and that you take it for granted. But to someone who never had it, it doesn't matter. A sociopath could even reverse it and say he takes for granted not feeling those aforementioned sentiments because it offers more freedom, causes less stress, and better decisions can be made. That's why they find themselves in positions of power quite often compared to the soft sheeple.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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That is all pop psychology mate.

The words sociopath and psychopath are nowhere to be found in the DSM, which is the manual used to diagnose mental disorders.

I can respect rubicant for his perspective on using those two terms in the thread that he authored.
Mainly because he has provided a ton of links and support for his ideas.

However, your focus is totally different.
So far your two posts have discussed ideas that have no foundation in the science of Psychology.
And you have provided no support for your ideas either.

I would very much appreciate some links to go with your assertions.

The descriptions of possible sociopathic behavior that you have listed might be out of an older version of the DSM.
I think that DSM II that was published in the early 80's was the last time the term was actually used clinically.
However, I am guessing.

I know that you are a bit new to posting.
It helps us all out if you can provide some links with your ideas because without links, your comments appear as if you are simply making things up off the top of your head.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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I consider myself a sociopath.

I think my disability played a part of turning me into one. From my perspective, I saw how people really are and how easily people can be fooled and manipulated without ever realizing it. Only someone with no empathy towards others will take advantage of these people and I'm not one of them. I wasn't born this way, but I do believe sociopaths and psychopaths are NOT born that way but rather turned into one depending on what they go through in life and there's millions of things that could turn a person into a sociopath/psychopath.

I rather do good towards others then bad, but while doing so I have no feelings towards other people. I don't trust people, and I believe 3 years of complete isolation barely seeing anyone will do that to someone. 3 years of isolation, I can imagine the disconnection a person can feel from society and feel different. I also have an anti-social personality disorder and I do consider myself quite intelligent.

Sociopaths are NOT born, they are made. Same goes for psychopaths unless of coarse there are those rare cases that somebody actually have something mentally wrong with their brain, I know I don't. Some people will just plead insanity for the sake of doing so because it's very easy to act/pretend to be insane and these people are smart enough to know that doing so, they have a better chance of not doing hard time in jail for their crimes committed and that's not to say I committed any crimes either because my slate is clean and always have been. I believe everyone has the ability to become sociopaths and the only thing stopping these people from being one is the very fact that they are ignorant, blissfully ignorant. If they only knew the true inter workings of our world they just might have less of an empathy towards others.

That's just my personal opinion.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Sinny
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Everybody's got a little socio and psycho in em!! They just highlight these traits when they want to, like for example, when a crimes committed,

And hey! Tis only my chin that's covered! lol


"Everybody's got a little socio and psycho in em"

More true than you will ever realize.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by TheProphetMark
I consider myself a sociopath.



Sociopaths are NOT born, they are made.


If you believe this to be true, take this man's story into account.

www.npr.org...
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Very interesting article if that was you who posted it.

I think you may have included your words in the quote of who you were quoting..so I was unsure as to who posted it.

So...who ever did...fascinating article !



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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The previous post?



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Rubicant13
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The previous post?


ok...sorry..


lets carry on..



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Rubicant13

Originally posted by TheProphetMark
I consider myself a sociopath.



Sociopaths are NOT born, they are made.


If you believe this to be true, take this man's story into account.

www.npr.org...
edit on 21-8-2012 by Rubicant13 because: (no reason given)


Did you read my whole post before replying to me about something I wrote? I did mention later on that it doesn't account for all the "REAL" mental brain problems people are born with.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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Lol I did post it. haha



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rubicant13
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Lol I did post it. haha


haha .. well..if you can go back and take it out of the quote box.. so you get the credit young man..

Have done that myself on more than one occasion..

ok..carry on

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