Disabled Pakistani girl may face death penalty for allegedly burning Koran

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Yeah? Then explain why the koran calls for the death of all nonmuslims?
Religion of peace...DEFINATELY NOT

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
Umm, that's actually not even true.... you may wanna cite the verse..... You know, the SOURCE of this (dis)information....
LOL

I see a lot of Muslims on ATS saying the same thing.

Why is it then that millions of people are being murdered on a daily basis by Muslims?

In my eyes this completely destroys ANY credibility that Muslims have.

I believe that a LOT of people here on ATS are also wondering the same thing.

What about quotes such as these that seem to completely contradict what this poster is saying?

"The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah" ~ Ayatollah Khomeini

Originally posted by ollncasino

Note: The Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way.

To imitate Mohammad is to lead the perfect Muslim life.

Is there a rational path that leads to hate? Reason and logic don't lead to hate, hate comes first.

In that sense, the problem is not religion. In the absence of religion, nationality or ethnicity will do just as well.

reply to post by RimDaas


I understand that. But there were a bunch of American cheerleaders in this thread saying that people with mental illness/juveniles should not be executed.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by RimDaas

 

I understand that. But there were a bunch of American cheerleaders in this thread saying that people with mental illness/juveniles should not be executed.

I'm very fresh to this thread so I may have missed something. You really think that children and the mentally handicapped should be executed? For burning a book? I hope I've missed a lot.

reply to post by Domo1


No, you should look at what I was replying to. There is a hyperlink to do so within the post, it isn't that hard. I think the state killing anyone is awful. It is nothing but murder OK'd by society. There are groups, like republicans, that cheer for the death penalty in the USA. It is a repulsive, barbarous ideology.

triple omg ats fix this issue

double

reply to post by Murgatroid


Millions eh? I think thats a bit of an over exaggeration .
And yes, Muslims will ask you to cite the source because they know your stumbling and bringing up false verses or things you find on some site which cannot provide one bit of proof.
And please, don't use quotes from religious extremists because I think there are a few hundred million muslims around the world who don't think that way.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by RimDaas

 

Originally posted by RimDaas
You may think it's a cult and it's highly restrictive but I don't.

If I had only "thought" or only believed that Islam were a cult, I NEVER would have posted the quote previously unless I had prefaced it with a warning that I only "believed" it to be true.

I am speaking what I KNOW to be true, there is a HUGE difference.

For those TRULY interested in the truth, you must look outside of religion to find it.

Religion is a massive form of mind control, I would stake my life on that FACT.

The Illuminati was set up in 1776 but created Islam?

The Illuminati is satanic and goes clear back to the Garden. (and there is, understandably, volumes of disinformation about it.)

"The illuminati started long before 1776, It has it's roots in the mystery religions which the knights templar perpetuated. In Nimrod's time, Semiramus brought back the mystery religions which were from before the time of Noah. The Illuminati was just a different name by which these same entities exsisted. They can change their name a thousand times, but the same entities run it."

Illuminati Roots

" Most students of this topic hear right up front that The Illuminati was formed in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt. WRONG . This sets me apart from the herd in a big way.

I believe that the Illuminati existed BEFORE Adam Weishaupt launched his particular BRANCH of it. It was HUGE, way before Weishaupt. All that Adam Weishaupt did in 1776 was to form an additional BRANCH of the movement that called for political radicalism. But his was only a small splinter off the main body. So, the MAIN and LARGER and ALREADY EXISTING Illuminati would be found doing just FINE if Weishaupt’s branch ever fizzled.

Furthermore, NOT ONLY did the bigger and older movement continue to thrive independent of Weishaupt’s branch, but, even Weishaupt’s branch of the Illuminati survived and regrouped and revived, and grew, and has continued until today. But the older pre-1776 movement always was and still is the LARGER and more influential.

What is the Illuminati?

So much psuedohistory in one post. Please don't make a fool of yourself and stop posting ridiculous websites which have absolutely no credibility.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

It's a backwards country that would execute a mentally disabled girl

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that is true that it is backwardness. but we can see execution of mentally disabled people in USA too !

Heres an update in the story, I wonder if the iman will be sentanced to death now!! or if the christians will go on a muslim house burning spree!!

Imam held in Pakistan blasphemy case

Pakistani police have arrested an imam accused of planting burnt pages of the Koran in the bag of a Christian girl accused of blasphemy, officials say.

The girl was detained two weeks ago near the capital Islamabad after an angry mob demanded she be punished.

However, a witness has testified that imam Khalid Chishti put the pages in the bag himself, local media say.

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by pause4thought


One thing that disturbs me is that we are constantly seeing things like this from Pakistan, yet we consider her to be one of our "allies." With friends like these who needs enemies?

In particular, I'm thinking of how Osama bin Laden was eventually found to be living in luxury in Pakistan, The Pakistani authorities weren't able to figure this out; they complained bitterly when we took matters into our own hands handled it ourselves.

But I just don't see Pakistan as being solidly behind us, despite all the baksheesh we've paid them over the years.

Another thing that disturbs me is any culture, anywhere, that holds a book to be more valuable than a human life. It's not like this was the last Koran in the world. It's a copy, of which there are many millions. The priorities are seriously warped.

reply to post by pause4thought


Well said. Burning Korans wouldn't help this girl, nor would it do anything to change the extremism. In fact, such behavior would only reinforce the extremism, helping drive previously more moderate Muslims into the extremist camp. A LOT of Muslims (probably most of them) have nothing against us. Burning their holy book would give them something against us. Let's not go there. It doesn't serve our needs.

Perhaps we should learn to choose our "friends" more wisely, so we don't find ourselves in the uncomfortable position of supporting regimes that encourage or permit extremist behavior. That would require us to wean ourselves from oil, which probably won't happen within my lifetime. Fortunately, I'm pretty old, but still...

reply to post by maes2


Ouch! But what you said is true. Our "justice" system is so intent on dispensing "justice" that it kills people who are mentally ill and developmentally disabled. What we call "justice" is nothing more than revenge, and that never leads to anything good (except in martial arts movies; then it's OK). But I digress...

If you look at the US with unprejudiced eyes, you'll see that it's losing ground. Standard of living, infant mortality, quality of life, education, legal system, all have taken a hit in recent decades. Our cities have become like third world countries. We're in trouble. We need to make some changes. We haven't yet begun to do so, unfortunately.

So yeah, we're becoming more "backwards." I hope we can turn it around in time.

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. (Quran 9:111)

Interestingly, the atrocity committed by Islamic Fundamentalists that we call 9/11 took place in 2001 - making the date 9/11/01. Is it a coincidence that this Sura matches that date?

Islam is the most intolerant,bigoted and oppresive belief system on the planet,we in the West can not afford to believe that everything will work itself out,while we think like this,you'll see ever more aspects of Sharia law creeping into our society,"honour killings" will be accepted,basically we will be too afraid to take a firm stand in case we "offend our Muslim Brothers",they are not nor ever will be,our brothers,we were not meant to coexist,we must take a firm stand against this appaling doctrine and prevent it's further encroachment into our western ideals.and where possible,like in the case of the Pakistani christian girl with downs syndrome possibly sentenced to death for Koran burning,make it known to the country in question that any attempt to carry out such a sentence will result in the direst of consequences for that country's rulers,in short,play them at their own game.

Actually, you're generalizing about over a billion people. It's something like saying, "All Christians talk in tongues and cast out devils." Some Christians do these things, but the overwhelming majority do not.

I don't see a whole lot of difference between Fundamentalist Islam (FI), and Fundamentalist Christianity (FC). Mainly the FC's kill homosexuals and abortionists, while the FI's kill family members (honor killings) and Infidels. The FC's haven't committed any mass murders recently of which I am aware, but their past Crusades and Inquisitions are enough to show that they're no better than the FI's. But these are the extremists, not the mainstream. The problem isn't Islam, it's Fundamentalism (or extremism).

We don't hear much about the hundreds of millions of Muslims who just want to raise their kids, have a decent life, and live in safety, who aren't trying to behead everyone who disagrees with them. Those folks simply aren't newsworthy. All we ever hear about are the murderers; but they aren't the majority, not by a long shot.

I fully agree that we do need to take a stand about what our laws are, in *our* country (in my case, the US; but it applies everywhere). In the US, we prohibit polygamy even among LDS (Mormon) members, despite LDS allowing it. Religious rules of any sort that violate our laws should not be permitted.

I'm not so clear that we have any right to interfere with the laws of another country. The problem is, where do we stop? True, the idea of burning widows (once practiced in India), or beheading (or stoning?) children who burn a book is appalling. We naturally want to stop it. But what gives us that right? Taking it further, if we have the right to do that, then what about lesser horrors, say public whipping or long imprisonment for something we find inoffensive - perhaps drinking alcohol? Why not stop that, too? When does our quest for mercy become arrogant meddling?

And then, why should our laws be the ones to be followed? Why not Pakistan's? Or, more reasonably, why not Netherlands's? They are probably horrified by our executing criminals, or imprisoning marijuana users. Why shouldn't they have the right to interfere with our system?

So the questions are, 1) Where do we draw the line as to what we can object to?; and 2) Who gets to do the objecting? And I guess I'd add a third question: Upon what basis do we decide the previous two questions?

reply to post by kamatty


I truly hope that this is true. I'd love it to turn out that some imam tried to frame this girl and got caught with his hands dirty. It might even help some of the mob rethink what they've been doing, learn to check their facts before becoming a lynch mob (I know it's unlikely - people don't seem to care much what the facts are - but one can dream).

But... my ever-paranoid spider senses are tingling. The article seems just a bit too convenient. Think:

1. Disabled girl, accused of serious crime, faces severe punishment.
   
2. Lynch mob clamors for blood.
   
3. International community clamors for mercy.
   
4. Pakistani government is screwed either way:
   
   
   1. Spare the girl and they lose power, maybe get lynched themselves.
      
   2. Punish her, they lose international face, maybe billions of US dollars.
      

Solution? Frame the imam.

1. Mob is appeased, because the girl didn't do it.
   
2. World is appeased because the girl isn't punished.
   
3. The imam? Screw him, he's expendable.
   

One of the dangers of trying to be alert to deceit and conspiracies and such is that it's hard to know when to stop. Am I being too paranoid? Am I being paranoid enough? Who knows? Who can know? Not I...

reply to post by baruch60610

US has many goodnesses and potentials if it decides wisely not only it's influence does not drop but it will boost rapidly. a country that democracy and people's will is it's slogan if it steps against that it is a big danger.
we all had a revolution or important points in our history, usually popular revolutions are collections of people desires. and public wisdom usually does not go in a wrong way. liberalism, republicanism and fear of corruption in USA. and independence, freedom and islamic republic in Iran. someday our countries should turn and see if it is moving on these desires or not ! governments are nothing without people.

Originally posted by baruch60610
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. (Quran 9:111)

it is interesting. yes radical wahabies are blind. but that date is also coincident with Cabala ! Cabala is the religion of zhionists ! it is not Judaism, it dates back to ancient Egypt. magics is the main part of this beleif. they believe that Moses, Jesus and Muhammed all were magicians. while magics is forbidden in all religions. now you may find that why many Hollywood movies are about ghosts or magics or satans or....
in cabalism, in the tree of life 10 is God and 9-11 means to jump over God. look at 22 and 33 day war of Israel. all are multiplication of 11, they are mad about that numbers.
suicide bombings of radicals has killed many innocents from americans to middle easterns. now you can find them in Syria. they are killing innocent people by the excuse that they are doing Jihad against Assad for the sake of people !!! this is, because their bosses want them to do !
it seems our world is ruling by radicals (Wahabists, Evangelists, Cabalists,....)

Kudos to 6 U.S. Senators

A bipartisan group of senators today urged Pakistani Prime Minister Asif Ali Zardari to free a mentally disabled Christian girl accused of desecrating Koran pages.

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