Disabled Pakistani girl may face death penalty for allegedly burning Koran

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Disabled Pakistani girl may face death penalty for allegedly burning Koran


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A young Christian girl with Down syndrome has been charged with blasphemy in Pakistan after she reportedly burnt the pages of a Koran. If convicted, she may face the death penalty. Rifta Masih was detained on Thursday outside the country’s capital of Islamabad. The arrest was prompted by angry complaints by the girl’s neighbors. Masih was beaten by local Muslims after they witnessed her allegedly torching pages of the sacred book, Pakistani English-language newspaper the Express Tribune reported.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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It is difficult to believe a child (aged around 11) with Downs Syndrome would carry out the alleged malicious act. Children with this syndrome are known for being good-natured, kind and loving!

While the police initially refused to arrest the child, the mob reportedly pushed them into it. Furthermore the child's parents have had to flee and hundreds of Christians have fled as a result of threats their homes will be burned down.

The context is an ongoing issue of the local Muslim community making complaints about Christian services. It therefore seems the most likely hypothesis is a trumped up charge against a victim unable to answer for herself.

Broader questions also come to mind. With hard-line fundamentalists now in control in Egypt and possibly on the verge of taking over in Syria you have to wonder whether similarly belligerent community relations will be seen there before long. What a tragedy that a minority of hate-filled extremists can so destroy communities that have basically managed to live side by side for centuries with tolerance and an attitude of mutual respect.

It is high time the moderates showed their humanity and civility by condemning extremists and seeking to promote peaceful coexistence. Or is it the case that they are too afraid to stick their heads above the parapet? Look what happened in Pakistan to those who tried:


...Pakistan’s Muslim community is infamous for taking the law into its own hands: a man accused of desecrating a Koran was dragged from a police station by a mob and beaten to death last month.

There have been no executions for blasphemy in the country, though Asia Bibi, a mother of five and a Christian, was sentenced to death two years ago. Bibi has not been executed as of yet, and may be pardoned of her death sentence.

Christian minister Shahbaz Bhatti and Pakistani government politician Salmaan Taseer were both assassinated for opposing the blasphemy laws, in connection with Bibi’s case.

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Is it then perhaps the case that the only solution is for minority groups to vacate countries where Muslim fundamentalism prevails?

Is this, then, the true face of Muslim rule? And are we perhaps seeing the end of moderate Muslim societies across a large swathe of the planet in the wake of the Arab Spring?




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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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If anything happens to this girl then we should all burn a copy of the Koran in protest


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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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A British man got sentenced to 70 days imprisonment for burning a Koran in Carlisle, England.

The Independent

A Muslim on the other hand who burned poppies on remembrance day, commemorating the dead of the two world wars was fined £50.

The Guardian

Another Muslim, who spray painted a war memorial with the slogan "Islam will dominate osama is coming" walked free with just a fine.

The Telegraph


Sharia law?

It appears that the UK already has it.

It is a disgrace.


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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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I don't believe any of this. Islam is the religion of peace and all this is lies.

Anyway, Marvin Wilson has stopped replying to my PrisonPal letters. I hope nothings happened to him whilst he's in that Texas prison.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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If anything happens to this girl then we should all burn a copy of the Koran in protest.


I disagree strongly. While I understand your anger I would certainly not condone such actions. Mutual respect is the only way forward, otherwise all you get is a spiral of violence.

I genuinely believe many Muslims would be horrified at the actions of extremist governments, communities and individuals. I think they should be supported, not alienated. There has to be a constructive way forward.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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This is sad, things like this happen all around the world though
Yes I did say that!!!

And for the person who said "we should burn korans in protest"... what is that going to do?
You are making the book mean something when it's just a book
In your own way you are giving the book more importance than the pakistanis are


Originally posted by pause4thought
Furthermore the child's parents have had to flee and hundreds of Christians have fled as a result of threats their homes will be burned down.


Ya.... i'm sorry
I'm just going to say it
This is PAKISTAN

What the hell are christians still doing there?
If I was living in Pakistan and I was either Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Catholic or whatever non-muslim I would NOT be living in friggin Pakistannnn.
Pakistan is insane!!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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This is disgusting. If the person does infact have downs syndrome, to whatever extent on the continuum of the disability, then this is just appauling. The fact people would bash anyone for burning a piece of literature, and charge in a manner that could result in execution is so far beyond the realms of common sense and decency that it baffles me. I'm not going to dispute relegion, i'm not going to despute laws of another culture, though surely there is some predisposing human factor that should enter and say hold on, this is ridiculous. If I saw a disabled person burning a book, I would take the source of fire away, put out the book and see if they are ok, not bash them, regardless of what they were burning. I do understand that they may not appear disabled, though if they were my neighbour I think I would have some idea.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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It hasn't been confirmed yet that she is actually disabled.

But for sure she is illiterate.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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"Well, i know a guy that burned an Harry Potter book, lets drag him and stone to death shall we?"

It sounded ridiculous right? Now, trade "Harry Potter" with "kuran" or "Bible", same thing?

I've never understood the reason why people react this way.

If i'm cold and the only thing that i have with me is a book i will burn it to keep me warn, but if you do this with a kuran and someone finds out, you are dead, just stupid.

I wish religion would end once and for all



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Its because people are brainwashed. Its that simple. They behave irrationally because they are conditioned to be. It really goes completely against their religion that they kill people for burning books, or speaking out against prominent figures. That is idolatry, and they are too dumb to see it. They need to resort to fear to keep people in control because they know that if people opened their minds they would see it for the pile of steaming turd it really is.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Neph89
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"Well, i know a guy that burned an Harry Potter book, lets drag him and stone to death shall we?"

It sounded ridiculous right? Now, trade "Harry Potter" with "kuran" or "Bible", same thing?


Actually, try uploadinga Harry Potter book onto the internet rather than burning it. Law firms, copyright enforces and the like would have no qualms about bringing a pocket full of pebbles.

Places like America have no moral high ground here.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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I don't believe any of this. Islam is the religion of peace and all this is lies.


Yeah? Then explain why the koran calls for the death of all nonmuslims?
Religion of peace...DEFINATELY NOT



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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if this news is true can anyone say from where they can pass such a law ! those are killing muslims by the excuse of Jihad ! did anyone kill those radical christian clerics that burned Quran ! if they kill that girl again USA is in charge ! why !? because all radicals in the middle east are allies of USA. USA is promoting radicalism in the middle east. those that want to Jihad in Syria for USA !
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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It hasn't been confirmed yet that she is actually disabled.

I don't see any grounds for that claim.

Here is an extract from a fuller article:


For the first time in Pakistan's history, the country's 'black law' has been used against a minor, a disabled 11-year-old Christian girl. Arrested on blasphemy charges, Rimsha Masih, who suffers from Down's syndrome, could get life in prison. Only police intervention saved her from a lynch mob of Muslim extremists. Her case has shocked Islamabad's Christian community, driving hundreds of Christian families from their homes in the girl's neighbourhood fearing possible retaliation. National Harmony Minister Paul Bhatti, a Catholic, has called on Muslim religious leaders to snuff out any source of violence.

The 11-year-old girl, Rimsha Masih, is at the centre of a terrible affair. After being charged with desecrating the Qur'an, she was remanded for 14 days to a juvenile prison in Rawalpindi. The offence comes under Article 295-B of the Pakistan Penal Code and carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Witnesses claim that Rimsha, daughter of Misrak Masih, burnt ten pages of the Noorani Qaida, an Islamic booklet used to learn basic Arabic and the Qur'an...

Source


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I've never understood the reason why people react this way.

While the murderous response is wrong and different to our way of thinking surely we need to try and grasp that Muslims do genuinely hold their book with a deeply-felt respect. I respect most Muslim people and am willing to respect their respect for their religion.

The extremists cannot tolerate anyone who thinks differently. Surely we should have a different approach and at least attempt to understand a culture that we find alien?


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...explain why the koran calls for the death of all nonmuslims?

In reality many Muslims believe calls in the Koran to 'fight' for the faith can be taken as calls to persuade. Some also believe they were superseded by later verses.

It is the extremists who cause the violence and suffering.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC
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I don't believe any of this. Islam is the religion of peace and all this is lies.


Yeah? Then explain why the koran calls for the death of all nonmuslims?
Religion of peace...DEFINATELY NOT


What the hell are you talking about? Of course Islam is the religion of peace!





posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Places like America have no moral high ground here.

Hmmm. We don't execute people for burning religious texts here in America.

That is what we are talking about in this thread, right? An eleven year old girl may be sentenced to death for burning paper. The paper was special, in that it came from a Koran.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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This is absolutely udderly ridiculous for any religion to 'kill" a child for something like this. She burned a book, she shouldn't get death for that. they're murderers out there that only get few years and yet, this young child burns a book and gets life, when it didn't harm anyone. I don't believe it is right to burn a "religous book" Although it isn't right to burn it, but people make mistakes. especially when they're angry and do stupid things.
C'mon I know each one of us has done something stupid, mostly when drunk
but we still do it, and we somewhat learn from our mistakes depends how severe and embaressing they are ha. But a child learns everyday and they should teach them right rather than just "Kill" them over something so stupid and harmless. Ahh, this world is just getting worse and worse.. people are just fked up.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Ok, seeing as no one has said it yet.....Christians did bad stuff along time ago, so stop picking on brown people.....sorry i mean muslims.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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Places like America have no moral high ground here.

Hmmm. We don't execute people for burning religious texts here in America.

That is what we are talking about in this thread, right? An eleven year old girl may be sentenced to death for burning paper. The paper was special, in that it came from a Koran.


Yes, but a lot is being made about the unverified claim that this minor has Downs. America's not above killing people with impairments. Also, I'm not sure what's better killing this minor now, or doing what America does and put minors on death row for 15 years first before killing them.

It's not as if America takes special, magic pieces of paper lightly either. Look at the bollocks the American right spout with regards the bible and the things they say and do because of what it says on that piece of special, magic paper.

If it's not the bible, then how about fetishising another inanimate object? How do Americans feel about flag-burning? I've seen posts on here by Americans going kerrrraaaazzzzzy with regards to Muslims burning their stars and stripes. I wouldn't trust half this board with Muslims, after they'd had a four pack of blue ribbon with a rifle in the back of the truck.
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