I am offered a Lifeline, but how can I leave American Madness, page 1


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reply posted on 20-8-2012 @ 02:48 AM by acidsweep
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My suggestion is to take it (if it's truly a 'lifeline'). You can always come back when things get better.


reply posted on 20-8-2012 @ 02:49 AM by Pedro4077
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"Would you leave it all behind, and go to a secluded but lavish property with access to beaches,
outside of North America, organic food, hot women, healthy environment, people generally not
involved in anything political, just living their life, plenty of money for restaurants, night life etc"

Too late my friend. North Queensland is taken.


reply posted on 20-8-2012 @ 02:55 AM by r2d246
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Can you tell us the name of the place? I want to check it out. Sounds awsome man! Ya go... are you kidding???


reply posted on 20-8-2012 @ 07:14 AM by Erongaricuaro
Originally posted by petertheskinny
Regardless what you individually are

What I would classify as evil ...
Or what I would classify as good ...

Would you leave it all behind, and go to a secluded but lavish property with access to beaches,
outside of North America, organic food, hot women, healthy environment, people generally not
involved in anything political, just living their life, plenty of money for restaurants, night life etc

I can.....I am offered that choice right now, I call it lifeline, it would be very different way of life,
an ideal way for me at least.

I could find a woman there, marry, start a family, be happy.

So why the hell am I still here and posting to ATS no less.

I feel guilty..........guilty to leave when storms are coming. I feel like I am needed, like something
greater than me wants me to stay in this S**T hole. If I go its like I am abandoning people who
will need my help when SHTF.

Am I just a self important maniac with illusions of grandeur, or should I "get real" and take the
lifeline faster than a drowning man a lifeboat.


Why not? I did. Came here to check it out over 7 years ago, made it permanent 6 years ago, and haven't set foot in the US in 5 years. No regrets, no intention of ever going back. My life is here now. I love it!

But, you know, there are realities to deal with. Are you independently wealthy or at least have a life-vest if you have to abandon the dream? Restaurants, night life - even in the best circumstances cost money, which you say there is plenty of. Is someone else paying the freight? Perhaps there is a quid pro quo or some enterprise to sustain all that. At the very least you will have to keep from annoying your benefactor. Just make sure you can swim ashore if you have to or willing and able to deal with consequences. If all goes well for a long, long time you still have to sustain yourself to the very end. It can all be do-able but give it some realistic thought.

You say - "I could find a woman there, marry, start a family, be happy." I might assume those are your yet-unachieved objectives. Again, those things cost. Where those things are affordable there is usually not jobs or pay available in the local economy that you would be accustomed to accepting. $10 - 15 a day for butt-busting work may not be appealing, but you say, "plenty of money for restaurants, night life etc." And the truth is you could "find a woman, marry, start a family, be happy" where you are. The ability to be happy wherever you are will still be required to be happy somewhere else. Need I mention that having a woman, marriage, and family doesn't necessarily equate to happiness?

Now, it seems you are saying, the only thing stopping you is a feeling that you may be abandoning your friends and countrymen in times of a coming struggle. If you had been on the Titanic would your staying on-board and going down with it given it a bit more floatation to keep it from sinking quite as rapidly? Unless you had some other plan in mind or have one in mind to save America despite influential people with other plans and a whole bunch of fools that just don't really care then I would consider other viable options. Of course if you strongly feel a calling... well, Hobbits don't like adventures either. Whatever reservations you may have for taking either course of action may have merit for consideration. Not all heroes receive posthumous honors.

You don't mention where you are thinking of going. If you had I might have been able to offer you a clue or two about some things to expect there. Almost no place is perfect with no downsides to contend with. Regardless, once you leave native soil your status in a foreign country is not as solid as in your own. And, Uncle Sam doesn't like his nephews wandering too far away and forgetting to send some money back home. If you earn a dime in another country he still wants his cut of it. Then their is foreign bureaucracy to contend with that makes your dealing with the Motor Vehicles Department back home seem like a stroll through the park. tourists can pretty much lay low and not have to deal with those things much, but if you intend to stay and do all that family stuff... have fun and check your American attitude at the door - or better yet, don't take it with you across international boundaries.

I did what you are talking about. It is do-able for many but not that easy for everyone. I won't go back to that former life.
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