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Its the managing and recognition of the manifested ego that will help us as human beings advance to a higher state of living.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by nevernothing
I am very interested in the "masonry" you claim to be a part of. You cannot be a shriner without being a master mason first. I am sure your relatives would include you in their fund raisers as that can be done without membership.
Becoming a mason is the same all over the world. What you describe, is not like anything I have ever heard.
what is a square?
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by Boomer1941
reply to post by network dude
So what's he lying about...you surely must have some proof?
Only proof I have is I am a mason, and have been one for several years. I know how we are initiated, and I know the process. The OP lied about membership. He is not a mason. Or at least, if he is, he is lying about how it works. It's nothing sinister and he won't upset me if he keeps on with the charade, I just don't want people lapping up his story thinking it's all true when at least a portion of it is grossly wrong. Lots of people lie about membership. We do know how to spot an impostor quite quickly though.
It's just sad to use misdirection to gain attention. If the message was any good at all, he wouldn't need it.
Originally posted by nevernothing
reply to post by seamus
Awesome discussion here! This is why I came. Thank you.
Your interpretation is what I was told would happen, that I would be GOD if I chose. But something very different happened for me. This is where you wonder, least I do, who is right. See, when I got to that level where I could join the mass of love and energy, I paused and asked, "Are you me? Are you God? Am I God?" The answer came, " I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. I am that I am." I said, " I love you." And I heard, " but, do you know me?" and I said, " You are the first from which all others came." and I heard, "I love you too."
That was NOT me.
I was 12, and thinking on, if their was a God, how could you prove it in a way that would convince non beleivers. Suddenly, after a couple of years of trying to meditate but being to young to figure it all out, I went into a sort of trance, and began to have what I guess would be a vision. In this vision, I saw a ball. And this ball was connected to other balls by magical energy that connected it to other balls, that connected to even bigger balls, and so forth and so on until I saw a man.
Originally posted by nevernothing
reply to post by kman420
If you don't think you can affect change you are wrong. And you have already submitted.
Originally posted by theruthlessone
reply to post by LastProphet527
WOW please explain what the hell you are talking about............
Originally posted by nevernothing
reply to post by Sauron
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to skip over your question so I'll be more direct. I was, and am still considered a Master in the art of Masonry. I am not a Mason. I do not recognise a 'Degree' but if you want to rank, I was 3rd degee at one point, but, learning in this field does not stop there for everone who acheives it. Your 'Degree' of learning is only constrained by 'Reality at this point and your ability to affect it. Henceforth you can still see and hear me. LOL And okay mabe this helps more, It was 1985 when I acheived this level you speak of in Surry County, North Carolina. But again, I do not recognise a Degree accept to acknowlege ranking begins and ends for some on this classification, I was but am not a member of Freemasonry. I am considered a ranking member of a lodge though I don't attend or am I pressured to do so.
Originally posted by Radekus
reply to post by 23rdChakra
You equate all human needs with the Ego?
So, what would you say, my ego is fighting my ego?
Or rather, my upbringing, the thought moral compass,
is directing how I live my daily life,
rather than to succumb to barbarism?
I assume you equate the ego to psychological needs.
You should define the word ego, it is... very broad
and can be easily misconstrued.
Humans are social animals, they need approval,
it is a psychological need. You learn this in
any psych intro class. I assume this is the ego you mention,
psychological?
If all a person NEEDS to survive are food and water,
you should look at what happens to people
in solitary confinement. How many psychological problems they develop,
mental illnesses, suffering they endure.
I assume you think humans only require physical needs to be met
for proper sustenance. It is absurd, I have seen asocial people in my time,
they're not doing so well. Lack of fulfillment of psychological needs
leads to mental illness.
You assume I do not know, but I do know.
More on physical and psychological needs.
Check out Maslow's pyramid of needs.
Different approach to this debate.
en.wikipedia.org...
Knowledge has made me cynical and apathetic.
By the way, how was my earlier post an example of how my conscious is clouded
because my thoughts are filled with ego?
If we are to assume that psychological is ego, then thinking is henceforth egotistic by this analogy,
how does that make you any less egotistic, or anyone else for that matter?
Then if this is so, why peak my attention to this?
As if I did not know that everyone is an individual,
different from everyone else, with their own needs.
This is why I poked at the topic which I understood,
the discussion whether one decides to fulfill one's needs
via hard work and dedication without hurting others,
while risking to be taken out with those with no moral guidelines,
or do like others and take the short cut to get to where one wants to be
while hurting others in the process?
Or simply realize that certain needs simply cannot be fulfilled,
not without a hail of problems, then take that understanding with oneself,
accept it, and then move on. Live by a moral compass, accepting that
this world is imperfect. Be the one to bear your own cross, not others.
Its the managing and recognition of the manifested ego that will help us as human beings advance to a higher state of living.
We may be in agreement here.edit on 21-8-2012 by Radekus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by theruthlessone
reply to post by LastProphet527
Well any explanation would suffice you can't understand till your taught........
Let me see- digital tech, funny how the goverment wants everyone to have a big screen TV with digital signal reception, rockets- not to mention other propulsion tech currently being revealed in which they used to explore space, not to mention killing people, and communication- internet and social media, to lead the masses and control thought. And thes are just a few things but did we keep it to ourself? No, all is given to the members of the UN!!
Originally posted by Levelsquare
reply to post by TucoTheRat
which part of your reply to my post was supposed to make sense ?
Originally posted by Levelsquare
Masons are good people , at least the ones i know . there is symbolism and ritual .
Originally posted by Levelsquare
but some wacky ass story about floating around the room looking down at himself . being trained and taught secret knowledge and whatnot. as chris carter would say , "come on man ".
Originally posted by Levelsquare
and i probably have more class in my pinky than you have in your whole pinky and ring finger. maybe even your left thumb too.
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