reply to post by AfterInfinity
Church of Christ doesn't generally have anything decorative but flowers, or occasionally a mural. heck, half of the buildings don't have a steeple,
even. Crosses are less in favor on the Protestant side of things. Our division is further on, in the Reformation Movement. I haven't been to a
single RM derivative with a cross on anything more than the songbooks--if on that! So, it is feasible to go into multiple church's throughout your
life, and never see a cross in it.
reply to post by Stonedhenge
It's a little easier to go through the OT for the answer to that. From Adam & Eve, through Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, the tribe of Israel, there
was a consistent practice of sacrificing an animal to get God's attention. Even various other religions, sacrificing an animal was pretty
consistently considered a way to interact with the deity in question. So, it's pretty ingrained in humanity to equate death with appeasement of
wrath, whatnot. So, it's not too hard to grasp the reasons why a death should be needed, without going into specifics. We're hardwired for it.
Anyway, you got the Jews, who weren't supposed to eat blood. Why?
Genisis 9:4 -
"Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
`For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the
blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.'
"For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, `You are not to
eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.'
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
For those moments when people state: "His blood was shed" In that worldview, his bloodshed is the same as talking about the loss of life. But it
does point out something: a lot of what is talked about is done in a matter that takes extra explanation to outsiders. Jargon.
Anyway: the story of Adam and Eve is about a perfect world of immortal vegetarians, who are only given one law to break, which is to not eat fruit
from this 1 tree. To do so is to remove their immortality: they are warned that they will die for it. They eat it anyway, and death comes to the
Before going any further: believing in God as perfection doesn't matter. What does is that if there is a Creator, He's the one that makes the
rules. That's it. I mean, we build a tree house as kids, we expect to be able to tell people to get out of our tree house, right? We own a house
as adults, we expect people to abide by the rules of the house, right? Well, there's this thing called Trust, and humanity broke it with God (you
could call it breaking the faith, but then faith and trust nearly mean the same thing--that's why loans are in good faith). Anyone who broke the
trust of their relationship, or had their trust broken, knows what I'm talking about.
Anyway, what is sin? Sin is an archery term. It means to miss the target. It's failure. Now, Sin, Biblically, is talking about a specific set of
failures--it's talking about those failures that break God's trust in us. It revokes immortality. We've failed to pay the debt of our loan (life,
immortality, existence, you name it, the total of who we are is an investment because a Creator is not under obligation to create).
These are the terms: No Sin, or face Death.
Well, what happens when you get the opposite? No Sin = No Death Clause. To be immortal requires a sinless nature. Problem is that Humanity has a
dual nature--the Bible calls it a Flesh vs. Spiritual nature. We cannot remain sinless (without failures) because it is natural to fulfill the urges
of our natures.
What Christ is, is a total Man, who is totally God, as well. God never revoked His own immortality. He subjected Himself to a sinful nature (being
human) that wanted fulfillment, but refused to bow to it. He was then executed.
Wait, we're back to the No Sin = No Death Clause. This dude is OWED immortality, but got death. God now owes a debt of life to Himself. As this
guy is greater than the whole of creation, this debt is MASSIVE. Massive enough to cover the failure of everyone in the system.
See, if humanity got what it deserved, we wouldn't exist in the first place. Forget death. A creator doesn't owe his creation anything, as He
doesn't have to create it. Does Booker T. Washington owe a Peanut Butter Sandwich anything? No! What a dumb question!
But for whatever reason, we've got a glitch in the system, a loophole, and it's up to us to take advantage of it.