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The question of whether to counsel young children to be happy with their biological sex, or to encourage them to continue to exhibit behaviors that do not conform to gender stereotypes—or to explore a transsexual transition—is controversial. Some clinicians report a significant proportion of young children with gender identity disorder no longer have such symptoms later in life.[13] There is an active and growing movement among professionals who treat gender dysphoria in children to refer and prescribe hormones, known as a puberty blocker, to delay the onset of puberty until a child is old enough to make an informed decision on whether hormonal gender reassignment leading to surgical gender reassignment will be in that person's best interest.
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Originally posted by spinalremain
Making child abuse legal. Great!
How is it possible that in 2012 we still have people in this country who think that being gay is somehow an illness or a choice?
Someone please explain this to me.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
It all sounds simple until you have a child who displays these characteristics. Then it's much more difficult because, as a parent, you intuitively do not trust the judgment of your child.
Children need parents because they cannot physically or mentally cope with the world yet.
So if a boy "comes out" and says he thinks he should be a girl, the parents don't trust it easily. They've seen their boy make stupid choices before and he regretted it and they don't want it to happen again.
It's hard to determine when the gender identity disorder is nature or is a mental illness too. I don't think we have a device we can connect to a child's brain to figure out where their gender problems originate.
So it all boils down to assuming children are just making another dumb choice.
My point to bringing this up is if it's illegal to attempt to "cure" a gay child then why isn't it illegal to attempt to "cure" a child with gender identity disorder (a.k.a. a boy that wants to be a girl)? If this isn't accounted for in the current bill then it's only a matter of time before it's.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by macman
Better yet, show me where I said that you beat your children. Go on. Ill wait. You are apparently lost on what was being said.
So go on, backpeddle, deflect, lie. Its all good.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by macman
Better yet, show me where I said that you beat your children. Go on. Ill wait. You are apparently lost on what was being said.
So go on, backpeddle, deflect, lie. Its all good.
Your statement.............................................
Never mind. Wasted time on your BS is wasted time. You wiggle in and out of BS like a pig roots in crap.
Sure sure then. Sure sure. Back to the I hate Kittens way of debate.
Still waiting on those laws.
Patterns of behaviour characterised by the misuse of power and control by one person over another who are or have been in an intimate relationship. It can occur in mixed gender relationships and same gender relationships and has profound consequences for the lives of children, individuals, families and communities. It may be physical, sexual, emotional and/or psychological. The latter may include intimidation, harassment, damage to property, threats and financial abuse.[12]
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Round and round you go. Getting nowhere, going quite slow.
As I said, psychological abuse is covered in ALL domestic abuse laws. If you cant be bothered to look, i cant help you.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Still not admitting that you said you can raise your child HOWEVER you see fit, and no one can say a word about it, I see.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
ETA: Here, the government definition of domestic abuse, since its too hard for you to do a google search:
Patterns of behaviour characterised by the misuse of power and control by one person over another who are or have been in an intimate relationship. It can occur in mixed gender relationships and same gender relationships and has profound consequences for the lives of children, individuals, families and communities. It may be physical, sexual, emotional and/or psychological. The latter may include intimidation, harassment, damage to property, threats and financial abuse.[12]
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Round and round you go. Getting nowhere, going quite slow.
As I said, psychological abuse is covered in ALL domestic abuse laws. If you cant be bothered to look, i cant help you.
Those are types of "Abuse", but mental and verbal abuse is not defined in any statute, when applied to criminal law. You really have no clue, yet you continue to regurgitate your Google search findings.
Again, please provide ANY statute that defines mental and verbal abuse. You have yet to, because it does not exist. What you provide is off sites that are for woman's rights type services.
You can't be prosecuted for mental or verbal abuse.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Still not admitting that you said you can raise your child HOWEVER you see fit, and no one can say a word about it, I see.
Again, beatings does not fall in line with how I raise my kids. Sounds like you are deflecting your own personal issues onto this topic.
Your suggestion is that by not stating I don't beat my kids, it is therefor my policy that I do. Again, back to the I hate kitten train of thought.
I am allowed to raise my kids how I see fit. Things like, religion, right and wrong, politics and so on.
YOU injected the beatings, in an effort to control the argument.
Better read up and practice more on the Alinsky method, as your application of it sucks, but is very transparent.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
ETA: Here, the government definition of domestic abuse, since its too hard for you to do a google search:
Patterns of behaviour characterised by the misuse of power and control by one person over another who are or have been in an intimate relationship. It can occur in mixed gender relationships and same gender relationships and has profound consequences for the lives of children, individuals, families and communities. It may be physical, sexual, emotional and/or psychological. The latter may include intimidation, harassment, damage to property, threats and financial abuse.[12]
As per what statute and what site? When applied to what, civil law or criminal.
Clearly you are out of your league, and it shows. Funny, as your quote has a couple of very large and simple misspellings. Maybe check you source again.
You have no fundamental idea of how law is applied and used. Backseat law at its worst.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
ETA: Here is a good article for you to read. After this, I will not post any more, as you have shrugged off every source I have posted, and expect the same with this:
www.abc.net.au...
Originally posted by GoldenRuled
I'm christian. I have no opinion on homosexuality except, God said it's wrong.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
No wonder God says that the children will stand up and accuse their parents in this generation. Look it all up, they are so blatant at their symbolism. Dunkin Donuts, Limp Bizkit, Butterfinger, Black Hole Sun..Their "illumination" comes through sodomy. Once you fully grasp that concept, you will fully understand why this move is being made to legislate parents from trying to SAVE their children.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
As for all the little "symbols" you offer, I could go back to the 1950's, 60's and 70's and see the same kind of paranoia when the Beetles, Elvis, "flower power" were the "evils" in society. This kind of religiously based rambling is no different to that - and we're all still here!
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by captaintyinknots
I can raise me kids how I see fit. Like I stated many times before, religion, politics, actions and even views on race. MY CHOICE.
YOU injected beatings, thanks for admitting that, as a hypothetical. Ok then, that is nice.
YOU injected something that is not only outside the norm, but has nothing to do with how I raise my kids. Physical beatings, dependent on the State, is illegal.
Wonder why you put beatings in on this topic. Sounds very much like you have unresolved issue from how you were raised or how you would raise children of your own.
All the sources you provided were bunk. THEY had no legal statutes to speak of. The source you provide before was a quote from an unnamed source. Geez, if I knew it were that easy, i would just make up crap and quote it in terms of an outside website as well.
The last source, is a news article that talks about a possibility to include certain aspects of abuse into the Domestic Violence laws. Do you even read the articles before you post them?
Again, I am still waiting, going on what, 6 days now, to see any Federal, State or Local Statute that defines and outlaws verbal abuse or mental abuse.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
ETA: Here is a good article for you to read. After this, I will not post any more, as you have shrugged off every source I have posted, and expect the same with this:
www.abc.net.au...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You didn't even read that. That is for Australia.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Ignoring your stupid ad hom and insinuations, you are contradicting yourself and you dont even realize it. You say you can raise your kids any way you want, and nobody can say anything about it. Then you follow by admitting that you CANT raise your kids any way you want, as certain things are illegal (which is, afterall, the point of this thread).
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I'm not sure whether to laugh at the contradiction or to feel bad for someone that is that thoroughly lost.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Furthermore, as I said before, there is no point in providing any more sources. You wont accept any of them. But to be clear: psychological abuse is defined under domestic abuse. Domestic abuse is highly illegal. Therefore, psychological abuse would be......that's right....ILLEGAL.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
And again you are caught as the troll that you are. You replied about that source in your previous comment before you even read it. Glad to see that AFTER you replied, you took the time to look though. Test, failed.
Nicely done.edit on 28-8-2012 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)