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Originally posted by gncnew
Originally posted by jimmyx
Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by Thunder heart woman
I know its your body and whatnot your decision. Just like its the murder's decision to pull the trigger. Killing is killing there is no in between if you kill something it can't be not killing it. Just like murder is murder. But I guess people are not evolved enough to see what human life really means but whatever. Why do you people think there is so much violence in the world...because the majority of people are insane.
you can't "murder" a part of your own body...geez, please try and use comparisions that make sense.
You're establishing your opinion on when an individual's life begins v/s a "growth" inside someone's body as "fact" before you start the argument.
You're kind of missing the WHOLE debate about abortion if you just establish that little matter as a foregone conclusion.
Originally posted by Unity_99
And abortions are a bit of a tricky issue. The first trimester should be open and FREE SAFE abortions done at the will of the person, then its over. Because after that, the Developing Infant, starts massively developing the brain required for Consciousness. They begin to Rem sleep even, and this implies that for the large part, soul may have entered.
You are not your body. You enter it. Souls don't enter the first trimester, when alot of miscarriages happen, and the infant doesnt have to be cut apart to take out.
Common sense, and medical information would really change this entire thing around.
However, imposing your religious beliefs upon someone else and forcing them to support them with their body and womb and life is outrageous.
And murdering unborn children who are rapidly developing their brains is also criminal.
There needs to be balance.
Originally posted by seagull
Honestly now... Dems don't say equally stupid things? Really? Honesty should compel some of you to at least pretend to search for living breathing examples of Dem stupidity...
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to post by sonnny1
It is a serious question and I think it comes down to how much do we value life and when does life begin? If we can define when life begins, we can more easily use tools like abortion for situations such as rape/incest. For instance, if we say life begins with a heart beat, then you have a few weeks prior to that where abortion would be acceptable - well within the window needed for a rape victim.
Originally posted by otherpotato
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Are you saying the definition of life is possession of a beating heart? Please cite the source where this is stated to be a universally accepted definition. Last I knew there has been no universally agreed definition of what "life" is. This statement is your opinion. It is not my opinion.
Of those 405 women included in the sample, 6.4 percent — or 26 women — reported a pregnancy that year. A separate large-scale study showed that, for the general population of women that age, the per-incidence pregnancy rate for a single act of intercourse is 3.1 percent.
As to why rape victims would have a higher rate of pregnancy, the Gottschalls put forward a few theories. They look at previous research, which suggests that men are more attracted to women who are fertile and ovulating. In consensual sex, women can decline sex at a time where there might be a high likelihood of pregnancy.
That’s not the case in rape. “Rapists do not wait to be chosen, rapists choose,” they write. “As such, within the limits of opportunity, rapists would be able to target women bearing cues [of fertility].”
The Gottschalls do acknowledge that their study was at odds with previous research, which showed a lower rate of pregnancy among rape victims.
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
This man has tried to use these facts to make a statement that states simply, if a woman doesn't really want to be pregnant as a result of rape the body will not allow it to happen. This is simply not true. ... Which is what makes what he said so deeply offensive. His statement implies that if you are pregnant as the result of being sexually assaulted, deep down you really enjoyed it and wanted to have his baby.
the inability to get pregnant from rape stemmed from "God's little protective shield"—a report Boozman denied before saying that it was in fact an "adrenaline rush" that prevented conception from rape.
•In an average population, the miscarriage rate is about 15 percent. In this case we have incredible emotional trauma. Her body is upset. Even if she conceives, the miscarriage rate will be higher than in a more normal pregnancy. If 20 percent of raped women miscarry, the figure drops to 450 (or 740).
Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more. If we use the 50 percent figure, we have a final figure of 225 (or 370) women pregnant each year. These numbers closely match the 200 that have been documented in clinical studies.
So assault rape pregnancy is extremely rare. If we use the figure of 200, it is 4 per state per year. Even if we use a figure of 500, we're talking about only ten per state, per year. In the United States in one year, there are more than 6 million pregnancies. Roughly 3 million eventuate in live birth, 1.5 million are aborted and 500,000 miscarry. And so while each assault rape pregnancy is a tragedy for the mother (not for the baby, though), we can with confidence say that such pregnancies amount to a minuscule fraction of the total annual pregnancies in the United States. Further, less than half of assault rape pregnancies are aborted, even though that course of action tends to be vigorously pushed by those around the woman. 2,3
for the record i wanna say i think the akin guy said some really foolish and insenstive things that will problay effect his re-election
The research team, led by University of Nottingham tissue engineer Kevin Shakesheff, has published their findings in the journal Nature Communications. This new laboratory culture method has allowed scientists to see critical aspects of embryonic development that have never been seen in this way before, and could lead to treatments for conditions such as heart defects. Straight from the Source Read the original study DOI: 10.1038/ncomms1671 For the first time it has been possible to grow embryos outside the body of the mother, using a mouse model, for just long enough to observe in real time processes of growth during a crucial stage between the fourth and eighth days of development. Shakesheff says: “Using our unique materials and techniques we have been able to give our research colleagues a previously unseen view of the incredible behavior of cells at this vital stage of an embryo’s development. “We hope this work will unlock further secrets which could improve medical treatments that require tissues to regenerate and also open up more opportunities to improve IVF. In the future we hope to develop more technologies which will allow developmental biologists to understand how our tissue forms.” In the past it has only been possible to culture a fertilized egg for four days as it grows from a single cell into a blastocyst, a ball of 64 cells comprising stem cells that will form the body, and extra-embryonic cells which form the placenta and control stem cell development as the embryo develops.
All this talk about "life begins" and hearbeats is a red herring. When someone suggests that we should use heartbeat to decide when to restrict abortion, don't fall into their trap.
Originally posted by sirhumperdink
turns out women may have higher incidents of pregnancy from rape than consensual sex
yeah ......ill just leave this hereedit on 20-8-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Wan't my statement, was Akin's.
And the Federal Reserve holds the majority of US debt. A combination of investors hold an equal amount to China, and Japan is third in line.
I have no idea what you are referring too though.