reply to post by loam
loam, your post(s) are very well researched, documented, and sourced...you did a lot of work on this...you've never been sloppy or inattentive that
I've ever seen and you often pick up on things that most everyone else is passing right by looking for clues.
I wanted to say that first so you would know that I am not at all criticizing the soundness of your theory or picking on you...in other words, don't
take this personally:
I'm not buying it.
Not for one minute.
Maybe if I hadn't already thought long and hard on this increasingly distressing problem for our brave soldiers who serve selflessly and often
namelessly...or if I didn't have a pretty good idea about people's minds and the health of the bodies and how they intertwine...from my years of
nursing first publicly then privately...I might be led to be less skeptical and agree with many of the replies in this thread...
But I agree with the other school of thought represented in this thread by Amanda5 and Benevolent Heretic and a few others left unnamed....
Soldiers are human beings.
Human beings require more than survival instinct to live and continue on each day.
All suicides, regardless of demographics and situational details, can be more or less attributed to one basic feeling or emotion that I suspect is
something that humans experience but not other animals...and that is
1. lack of effectiveness or success
2. lack of purpose or meaning
3. something futile
For these soldiers, futility has become not just a transient emotion that must be dealt with now and then....it has become the very thread of their
Here are some posts from a soldier's blog...who is suffering from depression and who, evidently, almost attempted suicide, himself:
Suicide is Preventable
When Depression Takes Over
Vietnam soldiers suffered from the same thing...futility, that is. They had morphine and other drugs to help them get through it...many took their own
lives after they got home and surely many on the front and in the barracks and even in boot camp, whatever. The numbers are probably available for
comparison but maybe not so readily...I don't know...the thought to compare them only came to me in writing this.
Now there is no possible escape from this futility since morphine and heroin and even '___' and the things that the soldiers in Vietnam used to try to
alleviate the torment they were going through...and even having leave to go to the nearest village or town and have some beer and maybe even pick up a
prostitute was something that helped ease the dark cloud of uselessness and the self-blame that accompanies it.
It is human nature to want to feel useful and to contribute. One of the most noble varieties of this trait we all share is that which the soldier is
moved upon to enlist and serve. The heart of a soldier is one of the most selfless examples of brotherly love that are given, imo. A soldier knows he
will possibly have to kill...during times of war, this is almost a certainty, I would think...as far as possibilities in one's head, I'm sure that's
I think that it is something that can be dealt with if it happens in the context of defending the defenseless and liberating the captives and
preserving freedom's ring. I'm sure it got my dad through his years of being a sniper in the US Army during WWII. He came out of that just fine and
remembered the good parts and did his best to forget the bad...and when you are a sniper, killing is not just a possibility but an actual
certainty...and not only that, it is not a nameless mass of humanity firing back at you the same as you fire to defend your life in order to defend
those countrymen who metaphorically stand behind you...your target is known and identified and marked out and fired upon. So if it is just the
killing...I think that is manageable.
My dad and his generation also KNEW what they were fighting for and that the fighting was something that the whole world had tried to avoid repeating
after WWI...despite the futility of the war...there was an end in sight and a goal and there was a hero's welcome abroad and then back at home.
What do our modern soldiers have?
I think...and this is not just speculation but gathered from what I've been told by a few soldiers I know personally, before and after deployment,
etc....that what they believe they are enlisting in order to take part in accomplishing is not what they find themselves motivated by when the
If we are all waking up to the truth behind the scenes...that is, the puppet-masters and their plots...would not this also apply to those in the
military? And they have no *out* once *in.*
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