Muslim clerics promoting violence, murder and crucifixion in 'the new Egypt', page 1

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Topic started on 19-8-2012 @ 11:19 AM by pause4thought

Recent reports of mob violence against those who oppose the Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt, including claims that some opponents have even been crucified, have been met with counter-claims that this is just an example of anti-Islamic propaganda. Whether or not crucifixions actually occurred, which still remains unproven, the reality is that there are indeed some clerical voices within the country promoting this level of violence on the back of their fundamentalist Islamic view of the world. While shocking, it is worth being aware of the reality in order to understand what is actually happening within the country and to appreciate the pressures now facing dissenting voices within Egypt, whether political or religious.

The article reporting these specific events appeared on August 17, link, (and the claim has been discussed here, and here). Is it not therefore very telling that in the following clip, dated a couple of days prior, Egyptian cleric Hashem Islam issued a fatwa permitting the killing of anti-Morsi demonstrators? —

Video of fatwa against anti-Morsi protestors

As to whether the extremes of punishment claimed to have occurred are actually conceivable in Egypt in this day and age, the following clip says it all:

Egyptian cleric calls for execution, crucifixion and amputation

...broadcast on March 16 this year.

So what do the Muslim Brotherhood really stand for? Are they the moderates they would like us to believe, or has that stance just been a Trojan horse for radicalism? Judge for yourself:

Former General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood Mahdi 'Akef: To Hell with Anyone who Does Not Accept Islamic Rule

The precise nature of the emergent Egyptian government is becoming clearer by the day. The following article posted August 14 summarizes recent events that are more widely known:

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi abruptly dismissed Egypt’s defense minister and other top generals over the weekend in an aggressive effort to remove a major brake on his own power.

Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi was formerly the most powerful official in Egypt and a major pillar of the former Mubarak regime. Morsi has now put himself in position to consolidate the Muslim Brotherhood’s control over Egypt.

In addition to sacking Tantawi, Morsi forced the resignation of the chief of staff of the army as well as the heads of the air force, navy, and air defense forces. This bold move amounts to a counter-coup against the “slow motion coup” that the military staged by stripping Egypt’s new parliament and presidency of most of their power shortly before the June presidential runoff election.

Morsi opportunistically exploited the army’s embarrassment over last week’s terrorist attacks by Islamist militants, which killed 16 Egyptian border guards in the Sinai. The decapitation of the top ranks of the armed forces allows Morsi to place his own candidates in key slots and reduce resistance to the radical political program of Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood.

Morsi’s Islamist-dominated government has also cracked down on Egypt’s media. State prosecutors recently announced that two Egyptian journalists will be put on trial for “insults” to the president.

Source

But how much have the MSM made you aware of the level of extremism being whipped up within the country in order to quell voices of dissent?

edit on 19/8/12 by pause4thought because: fixed code

reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 11:44 AM by D377MC

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The problem with the Muslim Brotherhood is that, whilst it may appear to be a radical Muslim organization, it is in fact Masonic, and a key player in the bid to bring about the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple, where the Antichrist will set up a statue of himself to be worshipped.

This fulfils biblical prophecy in that a pre-condition to the wars leading up to the rebuilding of the temple is that the countries around Israel 'conspire against her with one accord'. Of course, by the time the CIA and the Mossad have finished implementing the 'Arab Spring', the vacated positions of power will have been filled by members of the masonic brotherhood groomed for that very purpose.

In that sense, Egypt's new stance is telling, as are the movements of their armoured divisions on the border with Israel.

Time is running out.....

reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 11:57 AM by dolphinfan

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Don't worry about it. Obama and Clinton said these were good dudes, which is why we supported them. It must just be some big misunderstanding. Give the Muslim Brotherhood a couple of years and all of Egypt will a lovely place. Full of tolerance, freedom and respect.

That was the plan anyway and apparently based on how the administration is continuing to support these thugs, they're sticking with it.

reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 12:01 PM by D377MC

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They have to support them, they are fellow masons, so no surprise there.

reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 02:56 PM by pause4thought

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It will certainly be interesting to see which governments withdraw their support for the new Egyptian government in the light of what is now happening.

Just to spell out what the cleric in the first video specifically states:

1) Demonstrating against the government = apostasy against democracy and freedom (!)

2) Demonstrations amount to high treason against the country, against Allah, against his messenger and against the believers. Therefore the people of Egypt are told to confront and fight demonstrators. If they die in the process they are assured of Paradise. If they kill demonstrators no blood money will be warranted as this killing is permissible. Peace and blessings upon you, etc...

Where do you start? Take the first sentence of point 2). The following quote was highlighted elsewhere (see this post):

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this: that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off…” (Koran 5:33). Making mischief in the land” is precisely what the secular media is being accused of, by constantly exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and prompting the people to protest.

Ergo, in labelling anti-government demonstrators in this way, the speaker is deliberately saying they are to be treated in accordance with the above text!

The message couldn't be clearer: If you support the government, peace and blessings be upon you. Now go out and kill, torture and maim the opposition.

Apparently this goes by the name of 'democracy' under the Muslim Brotherhood.

reply posted on 22-8-2012 @ 12:52 PM by Anonymousman

Lurid tales of the Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood allegedly “crucifying” President Mohammed Morsi’s political opponents has gone viral all across the looniverse, but skepticism seems to have surfaced in an unlikely place.

spencerwatch.com...

reply posted on 22-8-2012 @ 02:08 PM by pause4thought

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You appear to have missed the main premise of this thread. The OP stated:

Whether or not crucifixions actually occurred, which still remains unproven, the reality is that there are indeed some clerical voices within the country promoting this level of violence...

I can only suggest you watch the brief video clips offered as evidence.

reply posted on 22-8-2012 @ 02:46 PM by matthewgraybeal

That is an anti-Masonic Speculation on the part of the poster. These Muslim Bortherhoods are using their action to suppress freedoms. Liberty Fraternity Equality, would not crucify a man. These guys are not Masonic.

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