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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:19 AM
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Over the last few days a number of attacks have happened within Russian borders, and once again Muslims seem to be the people who are attacking, Churches, shops etc.
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now alows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask, we also know the UK Government give them more in benefits that british born men & women are allowed each month.
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write.

I honestly do think that seeing as the UK got away with attacks in Syria they will try to get Russia & China too, as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years.




posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Attacking Russia would literally be the stupidest thing that anyone can do. Russians tend to overreact to situations involving warfare. Let's not forget Georgia.

There is no point in attacking them with Muslims. Russia already went to war with the middle east. There is still bad blood there. You wouldn't need to try that hard to instigate a fight with Russia. Plus let's be honest. If push came to shove, there is no way that UK can take China and Russia.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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You know muslim is not a race, right? Ive met atheist arabs before, and ive met white people who are muslim.....

Sounds kinda like "mexicans" in the us....of course everyone of spanish descent is mexican....



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now alows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask, we also know the UK Government give them more in benefits that british born men & women are allowed each month.
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write.


Do you have any proof of this, without posting any links to a UK tabloid such as The Daily Mail or The Sun?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
I honestly do think that seeing as the UK got away with attacks in Syria they will try to get Russia & China too, as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years.


Indeed.

The logic of the UK supporting the Free Syrian Army which is full of Al.Qaeda, Taliban and other assorted Islamic militants, escapes me.

It's enough to make you wonder how much of the UK government has been bought off by Arab oil money.






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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now allows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask


MI5: Up to 4,000 British Muslims trained in Jihad Camps


MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.

The Independent


British Muslims recruited to fight for 'al-Qaeda' in Somalia


Dozens of radicalised British Muslims are being trained by militant Islamists to fight in a “holy war” in Somalia, it can be revealed.

Up to 50 British “volunteers”, including white Christian converts and British-Somali men, have been recruited to fight for Al Shabaab, the al-Qaeda inspired Somali terrorist group.

Intelligence experts believe the British volunteers form the core of an international force of foreign fighters drawn from the United States, Canada, Europe and East Africa.

Th e Telegraph


British Muslims have become a mainstay of the global 'jihad'


Men from the UK's Kashmiri community have joined groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, the prime suspects in the Mumbai attacks, which have been fighting against Indian forces in Kashmir.

Others from a Pakistani background are in the ranks of the Taliban and other groups taking part in action against British and Nato forces in Afghanistan.

As well as fighters joining their ranks, groups such as Lashkar also benefit from funds raised on their behalf in the UK by the Muslim community.

The Independent



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Thank you.

I was actually more interested in what the OP said about Benefits. I should have made that more clear.

Also, why are you doing all the work? This should have all been posted by the OP.

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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A saying comes to mind.....My enemies enemy is my friend......

This is prevalent in all of the US of A .... just look at the cartels south of the border...and there you have your reasoning...



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by skitzspiricy
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Thank you.

I was actually more interested in what the OP said about Benefits. I should have made that more clear.

Also, why are you doing all the work? This should have all been posted by the OP.

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I really hope that's not true about signing on.my friend can hardly read or write yet the dole make him jump through hoops for seventy one quid a week.I have noticed that its near impossible to get a council house yet on my estate the Pakistanis,Indians and poles seem to be the only ones getting them.
what the hell are our intelligences services doing letting these terrorist scum come and go if they know that they are engaging in jihad abroad?maybe the Saudis are really paying their wages.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by glen200376
what the hell are our intelligences services doing letting these terrorist scum come and go if they know that they are engaging in jihad abroad? maybe the Saudis are really paying their wages.


I suspect that MI5 can only do so much with the budget they have. A visit to MI5s web page suggests that MI5 are very aware of the threat of terrorism originating from the UK Muslim community.

MI5: Terrorist plots in the UK

MI5: International Terrorism and the UK

The real culprit is the immigration policy that allows Islamic extremists into the UK and gives them passports in the first place.


Originally posted by glen200376
Pakistanis,Indians and poles seem to be the only ones getting them (council houses).


By law, asylum seekers go to the head of the queue.

Its their human rights, don't you know.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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You all are aware that several days ago Putin ordered that all borders are to beefed up and all (non-russian) born citizens are to be crossed checked and cataloged. He definitely knows something is up and is doing what everyone should have been done since day one.

What i see, is that his database is being refreshed and if and when the time is needed he can simply point to the world, that "these individuals are not citizens of russia but rather asylum seekers or under some pretense of religious persecution.

The current state of Syria and a massive 20.000+ thousand of displaced citizens who are doing everything possible to leave the country due to the so called liberation of Libya. Why i am mentioning this, well its because amongst those 20k displaced individuals there "is" a large number of individuals who are there to enter nations like greece, italy, skopje, albania, bulgaria to set up terrorist cells.

The destabilization of Europe and individual members states has several phases, the first phase was the economic stage, that stage has been successful on all fronts, the second stage, is to introduce radical fundamentals within urban areas. We are currently witnessing the initial phase of the second stage.

Enjoy peace for now.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
Over the last few days a number of attacks have happened within Russian borders, and once again Muslims seem to be the people who are attacking, Churches, shops etc.
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now alows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask, we also know the UK Government give them more in benefits that british born men & women are allowed each month.
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write.

I honestly do think that seeing as the UK got away with attacks in Syria they will try to get Russia & China too, as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years.








Any proof or examples of this or even a link to your sources as i for one dont know this however it could be like when the usa allowed IRA terrorists to travel there and fund raise i suppose...



and this"
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write. "

sounds like the biggest load of garbage I have ever read,i would love to visit this jobcentre that only has white english speakers people in it I really would , as it is it doesnt exist and this is ANOTHER muslim bashing thread that has very little if any truth in it..Reality is they would have an interpreter on the phone if the dss could be arsed
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Alternative4u
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now allows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask


MI5: Up to 4,000 British Muslims trained in Jihad Camps


MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.

The Independent


British Muslims recruited to fight for 'al-Qaeda' in Somalia


Dozens of radicalised British Muslims are being trained by militant Islamists to fight in a “holy war” in Somalia, it can be revealed.

Up to 50 British “volunteers”, including white Christian converts and British-Somali men, have been recruited to fight for Al Shabaab, the al-Qaeda inspired Somali terrorist group.

Intelligence experts believe the British volunteers form the core of an international force of foreign fighters drawn from the United States, Canada, Europe and East Africa.

Th e Telegraph


British Muslims have become a mainstay of the global 'jihad'


Men from the UK's Kashmiri community have joined groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, the prime suspects in the Mumbai attacks, which have been fighting against Indian forces in Kashmir.

Others from a Pakistani background are in the ranks of the Taliban and other groups taking part in action against British and Nato forces in Afghanistan.

As well as fighters joining their ranks, groups such as Lashkar also benefit from funds raised on their behalf in the UK by the Muslim community.

The Independent




" as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years. " alternative4u

REALLY? how do you figure that out , again any evidence or sources? , perhaps we SHOULd properly separate state and religion imo.....



Where is the proof that they leave and return with no questions asked?,i suspect there are nationalities af many countries in all those groups but that is not what was stated as fact ?

SO again , where is the proof of them able to leave and return without questions asked , as well as proof re. benefits and housing?
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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The simple truth for anyone living in the UK and claiming JSA. If you don't sign on, your JSA will stop. If your JSA stops, so does Housing and Council Tax benefits.

Also OP, when you sign on at the Job Centre, it's fortnightly not weekly.

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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Through tracking and monitoring these low level terrorists/militia/freedom fighters (what ever you wanna call em ), and their commings and goings, The special intelegence service is able to build up a much larger int picture covering more than that of that individual
SIS know whom these individuals are, and monitor their movements/phone/email/social networking EVERYTHING
which then leads us onto the bigger fish

WHAT A GAMBLE !
But the gamble has paid off many MANY times, much of which you will never know about
But having been on the 'inside' know this to be the case


Un warranted wire taps, tapwire, gov/Facebook collaboration, and many many more are the tools of this, but they have been turned on the rest of us

Edit
Sorry got kinda side tracked there
But to answer your question
YES

What if I was to say western special forces were in Chechnya ?
Chechnya having large oil reserves !
Now would we be there assisting the Russians against insurgents and training camps ?
Would we be helping the insurgents to aid in chechnyas independence from Russia, install a puppet and help ourselves to the oil - or at the least give Russia another Afghanistan AND winning the west some support from the Islamists- so they help out in Syria/Libya/Egypt ect
Which at the same time keeps foreign fighters out of Afghanistan - this making the mission there easier ?
( while they are fighting in Syria/Libya/Egypt ect )

It's a BIG complex picture

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
Over the last few days a number of attacks have happened within Russian borders, and once again Muslims seem to be the people who are attacking, Churches, shops etc.
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now alows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask, we also know the UK Government give them more in benefits that british born men & women are allowed each month.
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write.

I honestly do think that seeing as the UK got away with attacks in Syria they will try to get Russia & China too, as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years.


Do you have any links, any evidence and any statistics for all of this? I'm in the UK, and I'm calling this BS!

Muslims don't have to sign on? When did that start, and if that is the case then why does the government provide all of their forms in every language needed in our multicultural society?

Sorry folks, this is just more of the bigoted anti-Muslim rubbish we see on here regularly. It's just really embarrassing that most of it seems to come from Daily Fail reading Brits



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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For those who want to keep up with terrorist news, try rantburg and jihadwatch, both are updated daily, with some grisly detail at times for those worried about American Muslims, atlas shrugs keeps an eye on them.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by pikestaff
For those who want to keep up with terrorist news, try rantburg and jihadwatch, both are updated daily, with some grisly detail at times for those worried about American Muslims, atlas shrugs keeps an eye on them.


Yeah those sites sound like they will have a balanced non biased viewpoint...............as if.


I would laugh , but i remember these things being used to demonise the Irish 20 years ago , now its the same ol bull# directed at the muslims....
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Not bad sites however
Thereligionofpeace.com (the religion of peace)

Is a much better site detailing attacks daily, weekly, monthly ect

Sites like jihad watch and bare naked Islam where can be a source tend to get mixed with politics and sentiment

The religion of peace website is a lot better as a source - I encourage everyone to have a wee look from time to time - purely as a source



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Alternative4u
Over the last few days a number of attacks have happened within Russian borders, and once again Muslims seem to be the people who are attacking, Churches, shops etc.
Most UK people are well aware that the UK now alows Muslim men who are known to belong to terror groups go abroad and return without questions ask, we also know the UK Government give them more in benefits that british born men & women are allowed each month.
We also know that if Muslims go over sea's bombing places they do not have to sign on at Job Centres weekly as we all have to do, they get benefits without signing on, mostly because they tell staff they do not understand the form or cannot read or write.

I honestly do think that seeing as the UK got away with attacks in Syria they will try to get Russia & China too, as we seem to have a crazy government that is anti Christian over the last 2 years.


Do you have any links, any evidence and any statistics for all of this? I'm in the UK, and I'm calling this BS!

Muslims don't have to sign on? When did that start, and if that is the case then why does the government provide all of their forms in every language needed in our multicultural society?

Sorry folks, this is just more of the bigoted anti-Muslim rubbish we see on here regularly. It's just really embarrassing that most of it seems to come from Daily Fail reading Brits



I am also in the UK and also calling it bull#....





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