Over 30 years old with Aspergers Syndrome, How do you cope?

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Yeah and I'm telling you, you've just been bullied into accepting something that's not true. At 42 years old, you've finally given up on the battle for control over your own identity and possibly ownership and authority over your own mind. After all, you're suffering from a mental disease now after all.

There is nothing wrong with you in all likelihood. The norm will label and demonize anything they see as a threat to their ability to manipulate and control. They are compulsive 'categorisers', determined to put the whole world into easily identified and controlled boxes. They do this so that people become partitioned from one another, groups of people endlessly divided again and again over media influenced trivialities, until, no matter how many people you are surrounded by, in an instant you can be totally alone.

Every experiment in regional politics is based on the idea of certain types of people being of use and others detrimental, to what is at the time, the balance of power in the state. Previously Religious beliefs were enough to turn man against one another, keeping them in a designed state of distress so that the state and its agents could pose as the Saviours. Now as we grow more complex we get Eugenics, Psychiatric labeling, Media persecution and so on and so on.

None of these labels have ever been real. They were just convenient terms our would be world masters could use to employ the correct emotional response from within certain, well established groups. Think of it. Christian, Jew, Muslim and Athiest are all playing their parts perfectly. Sports fans, Genre fiction fans, metallia or megadeth any one?

Now with all of that in mind do you really think that the problem is that you are awake, or that really, every one else is fast asleep.

But yeah, if you want to give in at this stage go for it. I just hope it makes you happy.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Yeah whatever, I'm not exactly sucked into anything. All I'm saying is that I am a bit different in the way that I think and that the medical people call it Aspergers. It doesn't matter what you call it. I've been this way for so long that I wont simply change tomorrow.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
Oh, for crying out loud, what don't people get about Asperger's? It's not difficult to understand....It is NOT a made-up disease born out of hypochondria, it is an autism spectrum disorder. It is totally real, we do have some differences in how we experience the world, hence our difficulty with fitting into a social setting in which others see the world, and think about it, differently than you do.

Unlike the more severe autistics, we actually do want to socialize, but we're so bad at it, due to problems with our lack of ability to interpret subtle social cues, poor facial recognition, and our lack of a filter over what we say. In more intractable cases, an Aspie may never even be able to move out of his parent's house because he cannot hold down a job. We get overly-stimulated pretty easily, you see, and then we don't act like we should.

Tip-toeing, hand-flapping, and echolalia (repeating what others say) are very common, especially in child Aspies. Most of us are also very sensitive to how clothing feels, and itchy tags and tight clothes are torture for us. Loud, crowded places are too much for us and all we want to do is leave. Parts of our brain work amazingly well (I could read in Kindergarten but I couldn't tie my shoes until I was 9), and other parts....not so well. I can get lost in a place I've been a million times, but my knowledge of where streets are, and geography, is really good. I suck at math, despite my IQ. I used to have no clue as to what was the proper thing to do when it came to other people, growing up was torture and one embarrassment after another.

Now, on to the OP's original intent of the thread: I was diagnosed at 46 years of age, and that was only because I was working with autistics and the mentally retarded, and being with the Aspies was like looking into a mirror for me, much of the time. So I went and had myself tested.

I was actually relieved. Everything weird and upsetting about my past suddenly made sense. I am in a "lucky" situation, because I am married to an Aspie as well. We understand each other very well, and tend to be hermits together out in the middle of nowhere, our idea of heaven. No neighbors that will end up thinking we're weirdoes.


I do have a good ability to act normally, as long as I don't have to stay too long with one group of people. If I have to converse for too long, my weirdness and odd way of never being able to modulate my voice volume correctly (half the time I'll talk too softly, the other too loudly) starts to be noticeable. So hubby and I are perfectly happy to do only occasional socializing. But we're older (I'm 50 and he's 56) so we're not youngsters still trying to party and have what appears to be a normal social life.

You can only be the way you were made. You will learn to get around better socially by learning a part the way an actor does. It took me forever to realize that, when people ask how you are, they really don't want to know...it's just a formulaic greeting, so I respond with the required corresponding greeting: "I'm fine, thanks, how are you?"

As you get older, you will learn and get better at it.....of course, my husband is still having issues with proper social boundaries, but he is friendly and open and he knows he's being an "ass burger" but doesn't care. Because I'm more OCD, I do care, so my behavior is measured, and learned from others, rather than my true self. I can be myself at home. The few times I do have to socialize, I can play the part.
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Yeah, you know what you are talking about. I'm surprised at how many people on this website don't believe things that are scientifically proven. I too have the disorder, and I am in my mid-20s and having a *very* hard time getting anywhere in life. It seems like every year that passes puts me in a worse situation.

OP - people trying to tell you that you are fine, or don't buy into this disorder, simply aren't very informed. I majored in psychology.

Even so, they have this idea that you should be able to be yourself and be accepted by society - an idea that I do support. I have been the happiest when I have been able to be myself and find other friends like me. It just gets harder as I get older, because that's the way things are, I guess.

Like I said, I am struggling with this at the moment, and am not sure if I will be able to connect to people or not in the future. It might get pretty bad.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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So did I. I studied developmental psychology, nlp and counselling. Its all a sham. I don't doubt there is benefit in the therapeutic practices but you don't need any one, not a priest or a psychologist, to tell you what goes on inside your own head. The whole Eugenics / Freudian school of psychological classification that is employed every where is a total bunk.

In its own right, psychology is about as effective as Voodoo Rituals, Catholic Mass, or what ever other form of Magick you want, because it engages the individuals capability to improve the self through self reflection. The psychologist does nothing. However, psychologists are usually just mildly delusional, slightly imbalanced and dis-empowered people, hence their compulsive need to see issues only they can fix.

We could mention here that psychology is actually an art over a science, which places it in exactly the same category of respect for me as being a Real life Jedi Master.

But at least they are not chemically altering their patients so the damage they do is somewhat limited.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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I'm not going to argue with you. I'm actually not trying to. You pretty much said it your self. You're this way, doctors want to call it Aspergers. It's just who you are.

Just so you don't think I'm being pissy toward you, please allow me to leave you with this, from Wikipedia, on the subject.


Many questions remain about aspects of the disorder.[7] For example, there is doubt about whether it is distinct from high-functioning autism (HFA);[8] partly because of this, its prevalence is not firmly established.[1] It has been proposed that the diagnosis of Asperger's be eliminated, to be replaced by a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder on a severity scale.[9] The exact cause is unknown. Although research suggests the likelihood of a genetic basis,[1] there is no known genetic etiology[10][11] and brain imaging techniques have not identified a clear common pathology.[1] There is no single treatment, and the effectiveness of particular interventions is supported by only limited data.[1] Intervention is aimed at improving symptoms and function. The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness.[12] Most children improve as they mature to adulthood, but social and communication difficulties may persist.[7] Some researchers and people with Asperger's have advocated a shift in attitudes toward the view that it is a difference, rather than a disability that must be treated or cured.[13][14]



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
So aspergers is basically a disorder that prevents you from socializing?

I'm kinda not buying this disorder.





Can I pass on my understanding and sympathy to the OP....I can't believe ignorant, unintelligent, fact less, senseless and damn right stupid comments like Frankenchrist. Aspergers, is in the Autistic Spectrum and you can display behaviours and character traits, that yes everyone might experience, but people in the Autistic Spectrum have a more extreme response. Its akin to having minor damage to parts of the brain , such as the limbic system, that can control certain behavioural responses. Such as what someone has already listed.
So yes, we ALL have times when we suffer from things listed by R6A6W6, but people in the Autistic Spectrum have extreme versions. Such as an inability to socialise due to the inability to recognise facial expressions. You see a smile and know someone is happy, someone in the Autistic Spectrum , see’s a smile and feels confusion....as they don’t know what a smile means....and in some cases will never be able to learn what a smile means.
So , people coming out with stupid comments, go and do some research about it, meet people who suffer from it. Go to a children’s home that deals with Autism....and then try and defend your own stupid comments. God people on ATS infuriate me at times with their ignorance and stupidity.


XL5

posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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I am 32 and for most of my life I was not "put in a box and given pills". One day I saw the aspergers symptoms and found out why I was the way I was, it just fit. I think of it not as being weird, no, the rest of the world is weird and that some times there is nothing wrong with being wierd (the rest of the world). Saying aspergers is fake is like saying addiction, depression and crazy are just made up to shove you in a box. Money shoves you into a box and makes buying pills possible, lots and lots of pills so you can be happy about not having money.

I will try to explain it in a way most people will understand it in a very simple way: Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang theory has aspergers and lets it all hang out (that is what is wrong/different about him), Gary from Alpha's has high functioning autism and Jamie from Mythbusters possibly has high functioning aspergers...Spock is just highly logical.

Here are moments of my life before finding out I had a high functioning form of assburgers (lol). I would tell people how I was feeling, if I was mad, I would explain it, discuss it if they let me. Then I found out you are suppose to lie, logically, I didn't follow and still really don't. I could have just been hit by a car and could not move and they would have one mean cold stare if they asked me how I was doing. I have tried to explain things to people but it seems like they just want the simple answer yet, get mad if I give them the simple answer because they found they were missing the more complex middle steps. It drives me nuts and makes me just goto my room and dream of a world where things make sense (was going to go on, but it would make me seem cold). Another type of thing that happens is, although I can't get when some one is lieing, I can tell through logic and not blind faith that some one has lied, they never admit, never apologize and get mad that I figured it out and thus, I feel no sympthy.

Girls....ugh. The whole deal with acting confident angers me to no end and has me spitting venom and hellfire. Logically, if I see a girl who looks sexy, cute or nice and I want to talk to her, I can not be confident. The only thing I can be confident about is that I want in her pants and thats it, its not like she is wearing a shirt that says "XL5, you will be happy with me and grow old with me even when we are old and wrinkled and pooing in our adult diapers". Any time I see a girl who I would like to talk to, its an issue of small talk and simple minded jibberjabber fakeness that doesn't go anywhere even if its about fickle stuff in the first place. She may as well have a shirt on that says "I only talk to people who just like to talk to hear thier own voice and have the same likes on a base level and they are normal meat heads with money who tell me everything is going to be ok while a zombie plague is engulfing the world".

All that said, I have an IQ of about 125-130 but math and computer programming are just too pointless to me unless it follows a logical flow and can be used to do something usefull. If I can't see why and how things are done, I can't learn by memory the steps needed to do it even if it is logical. Its sort of like long hand division, if I have a calculator, I don't need to know how and if I don't have the calculator, I probably don't need to divide any big numbers.

Edit: It also took me 1 hour to type that, because I HAD to think about it, because in my head, it would have been worded very differently and might offend or not get the point across because of missing details or a hell of alot more details that its unreadable. Short version, turning a picture in my head into words, its odd.

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Both my husband and my son have Aspergers..so I kind of know where you are coming from. My husband was relieved to find out why he thought the way he did. He found out when he was 30 and since then his life has gotten better. He can function out in public, he knows when to be sociable and How to conduct himself. My son us like you and depressed over it but my husband said it's not bad if you don't look at the negative aspects. Try to be positive and try to get along as best as You can.

For the person who has no idea what Aspergers is, please look it up. The condition is real. I've been living with man for 16 years, yes it is real. Both my husband and my son have high functioning. My husband has had and still has successful jibs, he just figured out what jobs fit him best. I also suggest you see a therapist, as it seems you are depressed. Good luck.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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Nice train of thought there buddy. There is no medication for Aspergers. Period. Look it up instead of spewing #



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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In my opinion people can't really understand aspergers syndrome unless you are around someone who has it and you can witness the behaviors first hand. I have worked with a man for about a year and a half now who has aspergers, and let me tell you if he is faking it or if he's being brainwashed into thinking he has something he doesn't, he sure is a good actor.

Over this past year I have spent some time researching the disorder, and befriending this individual, because like you R6A6w6, my friend is a very lonely individual. But at the same time he is very intelligent, funny, and skilled at his job, so I didn't become friends with him out of charity, but rather because I wanted to. There have been many times over the past year that he has pissed me off royally due to just being so blunt or emotionally simplistic, but then I just step back and realize maybe that was the most sincere way he could think of doing that, and just go on with my day. I'm kind of rambling now so I will just get straight to my point. Aspergers is a real disorder, and over the past year I have come into contact with many other coworkers who are too selfish and narrow minded to realize this. Rather than be patient with my friend they just call him an A hole or a jerk for how he acts and they say he's just faking it. It's funny to me how humans are, as soon as we find a trait in someone that is different from ourselves we either try and crush it out of them or shun the person.

final thoughts

Over the past year I have had some revelations about myself studying this disorder, I always knew I was an introvert but after reading a lot of the symptoms of aspergers I do have slight suspicions that I might have a mild form of it, I haven't been tested for it though.
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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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I got diagnosed in my forties, as it just wasn't really on the medical radar back in the early seventies. Finding out has given me 'self forgiveness of differences'. Its the reason I can't stay at that family party for more than an hour without retreating into a corner in a hunched up ball, or go crazy when my neighbours play their music even really quietly, or why I move my fingers constantly, and why loud noises feel a lot like someone is hitting me.

Now I know I'm not nuts, or miserable, I don't feel the need to push myself to socialise just to fit in. Also, the diagnosis explained the horrid things I did as a teen; I really didn't grasp the whole 'other people have feelings too' until I was twenty. Fortunately I'm not so literal as a lot of Aspies, and I have a really high IQ which has allowed me to get a basic understanding of human behaviour and body language through reading psychology books since I was twelve. I'm speaking a foreign language (human) but I've worked my way up to pidgin. I find children and animals way easier than adults. Kids don't mask feeelings, and animals tend to use obvious whole body postures instead of just twitching facial muscles at you.

The diagnosis did explain a whole lot about my life. Fortunately I have a spouse who acts as my intermediary. He understands when I say normal people are comparable in annoyance to masses of mosquitos buzzing around my head.

The upside of it is am am really, really good at processing vast amounts of information when I'm subject obsessing. I can clear a degrees worth of reading plus relevant peripheral information in a year. At the moment my fixation is conspiracy theorists. I'm trying to understand the minds of the people here, and how they seem to wilfully ignore anything that contradicts them, which just baffles me. I've confronted one who posted some stuff that I PROVED was BS ( I tracked down the actors and IMBD for something he said was a real alien abduction) and he refused to respond at all.

Any ideas why? Still working on this as human behaviour I don't get.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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I think we can set aside the semantic debate, frankly. As someone who has what the world of psychology terms Asperer's myself, and someone who was also diagnosed late (I'll be 31 this year,) I can say that it doesn't matter. Whether you want to call it "just who you are" (as is my preference,) wish to define it as a disorder, want to call it Asperger's, want to acknowledge it as a condition or just a personality trait (or a set of traits) is irrelevant to the central issue TC wants us to address. And no one who doesn't share in these "factors" for lack of a better term can fully understand what it's like.

I have what psychology terms social anxiety disorder secondary to the over-stimulation caused by my Asperger's. This is another thing some people will simply never accept. Everyone thinks they have the answer. "Oh, you're just shy." "Oh you just need therapy/religion/a spiritual path/friends/drugs/medication..." etc. etc. etc. To everyone who does not experience this on a daily basis and thinks they have the answers, let me make it really simple for you: you do NOT understand, nor CAN you understand. That is not to say that you're uncaring or unkind. It's just an experiential reality. I can't understand what it feels like to have Schitzophrenia, either. But that doesn't mean people don't experience it.

We haven't ceded our personal sovereignty to the psychology or medical community. Refraining from calling it a condition or Asperger's doesn't intrinsically exonerate us from the experience of being radically different in our thinking and information processing. Not worse or better. Just different. And in a society that pushes for uniformity and belittles difference, surely you can recognize that this is a painful experience much of the time. No, it's not a case of "poor us, we're special." We do not want special pity or attention. It's just how it is. Regardless of whether you agree with our characterization of it, that's the only thing you need to understand and accept. In fact, I agree with the notion that labeling it and pigeonholing it is a bad thing. I'm all for thinking of myself as "just who I am." But that doesn't free me from some specific differences I have to cope with, which I share in common with people like TC. Regardless of what we call it.

And if you have struggled with this and found a way to overcome it such that it no longer impacts your life, great. I am sincerely happy for you. That isn't sarcasm. I hope you find nothing but joy and fulfillment in life as a result of your discovery. But PLEASE recognize the simple truth that people are different, and the same solution does not work for everyone. Stop evangelizing your worldview upon people's subjective psychological makeup, PLEASE. You are not helping, despite what I'm quite certain are compassionate intentions. Take a step back, set aside your ego, and recognize that not everyone will benefit from what you did, and that indeed, pushing it might actually cause hurt, especially in those already prone to sensitivity and over-stimulation in the social arena.

Now with that out of the way.

TC: one aspect I will acknowledge in your plight that I hopefully can relate to, is the part about being torn regarding social connections. I hear you. Most people think "aspies" lack empathy. This is not true, at least in my case. If anything, I have "too much" empathy, if such a thing is possible. People suffering or being in pain is unbearable for me. I think it would be more accurate to say that it seems as though we lack empathy from the outside looking in, as a result of our inability to respond to social cues and facial expressions as would the majority of society. Once we know what you're feeling, we DO care. We just can't always tell without you communicating. I've found that for myself and other "aspies" I know, communication is key, and often my friends and family don't quite understand my insistence upon clear, forthright, transparent communication.

So because of such conflicts and lack of understanding, and because stimuli and how I experience emotions is incredibly intense and unrelenting, my relationships - despite how much I love and want my friends and family in my life, and would in many respects do anything for most of them - can be incredibly overwhelming and stressful. I frequently need to escape from them, which leads to lengthy periods of isolation, which places further strain on my relationships. I am not ashamed to admit any of this, and it is my hope that you will find something to relate to in this so that you'll know you're not alone, if indeed your experiences are similar. You have nothing to be ashamed of, either. But I'm sure you know that.

I sincerely wish you the best and hope you can find some modicum of peace and fulfillment in life. I know it's extremely difficult at times. I basically just wanted to say, as have others, you're not the only one. You're not alone.

Peace.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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There is no medication for Aspergers.


One unit of alcohol works a treat for social anxiety, for me.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Oh man this is to much,and hell,I fit right in here,pardon the curse it was planned in advance,ha ha ha,I am one of the happiest people on the planet today because I am pretty sure I have found my tribe,its as simple as that,you can really have fun with this one,add it all up and you get a human type that has a high %of RHnegative blood,is very hard to lie to,wont buy into manipulation,will leave and be alone rather than do the wrong thing,dont subscribe to a majority rules mentality,are naturalyy drawn to truth,have an inate ability to overcome emotional manipulation via logic,and you have an interesting story,lets just say you have tailor made rebels who are starters on team Humanity.

Here a good one,I also hit 148 or 149 on IQ tests,basiclly just mark all the math questions wrong because i usually refuse to even do them,I believe mathematics are a lie,and are unnatural,they are a way for two dimensional thinkers to see what I see every day,it is a representative method for them to understand a dimensional perspective,without math they are blind to 3D concepts.

Many times I refuse to use spell check because I believe people focus on correct spelling to much and it takes away from what they put into their communication enrgy wise.

Wheh I see words like racism,and predjuice,and gay,I immediately recognise that those words are contrived or invented with a disturbing catalytic destiny,in other words on purpose.To creat negative energy and dynamics to push us apart as a species.

Heres some food for thought ,once you gain a foothold in or perspective on your own awareness as a 3d thinker and can recognise and quantify these levels------- 1D{primate}2D{human normal level}3D{human evolved level}--------it is a lot easier to feel comfortable in your skin.

The only reason we dont hear the truth is because most 2D aware people are constantly lieing to keep their reality cumulaive and cohesive,they need to lie to fake the effects or form and function of 3D thinking which is what the cumulative reality provides them with,they will lie steal and cheat to keep seeing the world in a 3D manner,but it is illusionary because it must be based on lies or untruths or adjusted truths.


When I write something for the net and post it I MUST write it in a garbled and multi-faceted manner or most people wont really get the key points,its because there are so many 2D thinkers spending their energy trying to lie their way into a common reality,IMHO it is a form of cheating or standing on your proverbial tippy toes and looking over the fence.

I can immediatly tell if science or math is natural and patterned naturally,I dont need contextual data just content symmetry or flow,I can tell natural communication flow from unnatural communication flow,I am a born lie detector,no kidding it drove my parents nuts,still drives me nuts from time to time,talk about feeling guilty ,its worse when you are smart enough to know you are lieing because then you view most of 2D life as one big compensatory lie designed to create an emotional comfort zone or reality that everyone who sees a 2D world is shareing,their cumulative reality and interconnectedness is predicated on emotional harmony,I am left to rationalise that these are still good people who have to lie to themselves and others to cope,but this is whats wrong with the world for people like me and whats right for people like them,thats why i refuse to validate religon,because it is the catalyst of the justification of these MASS LIES,there have been many peole like us throughout history trying to teach us to be honest and not to lie.And most have been presecuted for challengeing lies at all.


Imagine this,the more you learn about yourself and others the more lies you must accept,so if you are lucky eough to already see the world in 3D,maybe consider that you are already in a better place and there is a concerted effort being made to restrain you from progress and actuall drag you and your childrens perspective back into the 2D realm.

It can be extremely difficult to observe the dynamic situations forming in which you KNOW others are going to lie in,it is very hard to respect them when you see it all happening in front of you clear as day,and they just keep smileing and lieing,Aspie kids and adults very well know what emotions and how emotions work and how good they can make us feel,they just cannot lie to themselves to initiate a real emotional response,we cant just "give ourselves the drug".We are naturally immune,it is evolution,we can exude emotions normally but we naturally reject unnatural pushes on our emotional bubble or reality,we instinctively reject these influences.

We are really 3D thinkers trying to figure out how to go backwards to 2D perspectives so we can get along better with 2D thinkers. They should be reaching up to us.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Parts of your post are correct however no one knows what normal (or "perfection") is because there's no such thing. Every man and woman is unique in this world.


I agree with you. I find myself asking, "What is normal?" "What is perfection?" They're just opinions. If something doesn't fit into "normal" Western society, it is quickly named and lumped into a specific category because we don't understand it in terms of what we deem "normal." Also, what about non-Western societies? Do they have the same categories?

As far as the OP, I truly feel for you, but I've experienced all of those things you've listed as some of the symptoms, and I would never allow a doctor to lump me into that category. I think doing so would alienate me even more. I just accept that I am different than most, and I carry on with my life, because in my opinion, the bottom line is: What is normal?



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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I have read this entire thread.
Now i'm wishing i would not have.
Can't never could!



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Having aspergers myself, i've learned that the best way to cope is through guidance counseling or through an online forum, which i frequent, if you wish to know please u2u me

or i would be glad to discuss with you further, maybe some of my techniques can help you in the long run as well..

stay safe fellow aspie



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by XL5

All that said, I have an IQ of about 125-130 but math and computer programming are just too pointless to me unless it follows a logical flow and can be used to do something usefull. If I can't see why and how things are done, I can't learn by memory the steps needed to do it even if it is logical. Its sort of like long hand division, if I have a calculator, I don't need to know how and if I don't have the calculator, I probably don't need to divide any big numbers.

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Interesting. I have great trouble doing things by technique but without understanding. I must have a physical understanding of each element of a project, as well as of how those elements interact to form the whole.

Instruction sets always show you how but rarely explain why. I'm sure to most people the "why" is redundant, and all that matters is that the end product looks like the picture on the box or the image in your mind of what you want.Just put it together and use it, right?I have occasionally done it this way but it takes me forever and often leads to abandonment.


Whenever I follow a set of instructions, which I rarely do, I have to work out what is really going on in each step and why, before I can perfom said step. Consequently I have become quite good at assembling things with no instructions, using logic instead.It doesn't always come off. I've omitted key components on complex builds. But in some cases I've also modified projects/products for the better.

I'm also amazed at people who drive automobiles without having the faintest clue of how a combustion engine or suspension system works.

I think people like us rely on a strong ground up framework of logic and understanding for everything. Navigating through "abstract" territory can be nervewracking, like walking through a china shop in the dark with oversize boxing gloves and clown shoes.

In order to socialize and play along I find myself trying to devise a logical framework to support my participation in schemes suchas "let's all paint our faces purple,wear silly hats and enter the bar walking on our hands singing "Le Marseilleuse" in Middle German".

"We're doing it for the laugh" would not be a satisfactory framework for me to partake. I would need to know who's going to be laughing and why. Will I be laughing? What will be the cause of my mirth.Will my mirth be at the expense of another person?etc etc



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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some advice from the late Nate Dogg regarding a tool some claim could be effective

your mileage may vary

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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All that said, I have an IQ of about 125-130 but math and computer programming are just too pointless to me unless it follows a logical flow and can be used to do something usefull. If I can't see why and how things are done, I can't learn by memory the steps needed to do it even if it is logical. Its sort of like long hand division, if I have a calculator, I don't need to know how and if I don't have the calculator, I probably don't need to divide any big numbers.


Exactly how I feel. If I don't see a logical "why and how" then I don't feel interest. I need to know it's actively doing something, or will prove helpful in the long run, or I won't be inclined to do it at all.

That's why I dropped out of college. The majority of people never go into the careers they get degrees in, lots of college students end up at a fast food join anyway, either working to pay their loans or working because their education did nothing for them...and really, when you're going into a career field, they only want the best, and I don't do well in competitive careers. The pressure, the antagonizing, the sabotage and the personalities you're forced to work with...granted, it all hones your skills, but they put emphasis in the wrong places and not enough rewards in the right places...

Not to mention the entire process takes a HUUUUUUUGEEEEE mental and emotional toll on me. I've been suicidal more than once because of the workload I was forced to deal with. Welcome to the real world, whever all of the past 150,000 years is just as important as all the bullcrap going on today, and where half the stff you learn you'll never use, and half the stuff you use, you never even learned in school.

It's all ridiculous. My whole college and social experience was comparable to Einstein's meltdown in high school...
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