My Hypocrisy Towards Homosexuality: A Personal Revelation

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I edited it because you edited one.

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Originally posted by MountainLaurel
love songs and beer help....♫

Yes they do!

When they don't make it worse that is!

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

 

Oh geez....let's see if I can explain this at all....cause honestly this world is kicking my ass, in a spirtual way....I do see how we raise our children as the future....and I'm REALLY PISSED that the odds are so stacked against them...not only will they be inslaved to our dept, they have to be exposed to some corrupt attempt to make sexuality cheap and yucky...take away romance and love....I don't know...really this is making me cry......love songs and beer help....♫

I don't know, but my heart cries for children in war-torn countries. Those kids are just trying to get to school while avoiding bombs and snipers. Talk about putting overwhelming stress on an innocent child. Our kids have it easy - life is very good for them. I wouldn't worry about a little Family Guy.

When I was a kid, my best friend got hold of some porn books that her dad had. We spent lots of time curiously looking over those books. Believe me, there was no love and romance in those things. I grew up, and certainly didn't have my love and romance taken away. Far from it!

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You're absolutely right.......God when I think of the babies, kids, parents, and pets... terrified everyday by wars of corruption at the hand of the US and UN, what a nightmare......evil to the friggin core........

Yes, our kids so far are "lucky".....but totally unprepaired for what may come...and I pray everyday it does not come...the kids in our family our sooo great.....my nephew off to UCLA in a few weeks and it's scarey to have him so far away if anything happened....lol...I guess you take the good with the bad sometimes....CA is probably a ticking time bomb, but my family will never leave, and it is a beautiful place to live....so I guess when the big one comes, I'm catching a wave to Heaven....

I don't know how to take a stand anymore, Ron Paul was hopeful to many...but clearly he has been blocked.....lol...sorry....off topic.....it just seems to me it always comes full circle back to "politics" in almost any subject we could discuss.....

Originally posted by r2d246
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I have to address this, as both a teacher and a parent.

Why in the world would you assume a teacher could teach "touchiing and kissing" without getting in serious trouble? Just replace your inane suggestions above with a heterosexual teacher. What would happen if ANY teacher tried to encourage kids to explore kissing and touching....they would be FIRED and quite possible brought up with sexual abuse charges...and that would be deserved.

And your description of my son's honeymoon is both uncalled for and tasteless.

I have to conclude that someone gave you a star before they finished reading your post. Otherwise...;

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It was indeed a bit over the top IMO as well.

For those in this thread talking about someone turning your kids gay....please take a moment. Really. Just take a moment and breath deeply.

Can someone turn you gay? As I live and breath there is no way that I could ever lay down with another woman. None. I don't give a minute damn who is selling it to me, who is telling me how good it is, etc.... I just can not fathom doing it. EVER. No amount of money, peer pressure, booze, or dares, I get... it ain't going to happen.

Why?

Because I am NOT gay.

Ask yourselves the same question. Can someone make you change your mind about being straight? Could your coworkers use enough peer pressure on you to get you to lay down with the same sex?

If your answer is no (and we know that it is), how in the hell do you think someone is going to turn your kids gay? The idea is ludicrous. I don't think sex of any kind needs to be displayed in children's movies and I think that we should try to let our kids be kids for as long as they can as they grow up fast enough already. But please just stop with the talk about turning kids gay.

If you disagree with homosexuality then that is your right. It is your right to not want your child exposed to it if that is the way you feel also. However, using the excuse that it's going to turn kids gay is just going to the extreme to get that point across IMO.

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Better than I could have said it, clearly. There are not enough stars in the world that I could give you right now. Just pretend I gave you a million.

And if the mythical "NWO" has an agenda to change people's orientation, isn't it more apparent that the agenda is to force everyone to be heterosexual, and not the other way around? I don't see any "conversion therapy" groups to turn straight people gay, after all.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by littled16

I think whether you are being hypocritical or not hinges on the reason behind the disappointment if your son turned out to be gay. I mean, would you be disappointed at the very fact of him being homosexual, the knowledge that you might possibly never have grandchildren, or due to the possible hurt and discrimination that he might well experience just for being gay?

The reason(s) for disappointment could be varied. Whether the disappointment would be hypocritical or not depends on the thoughts behind it.

I have two boys and if one of them was gay I would hold a lot of disappointment and I'm sure it is hypocritical. I would support him all I could and never let him know but in the end it would still be there.

My two neighbors are gay retired teachers. They been together for like 50 years and laugh that only their heterosexual friends want them to get married. We get a long great and I respect their relationship, but being a heterosexual male I find the aspects of a sexual relationship with another male somewhat disgusting though I can see the love the two have for each other as a good thing. Who knows maybe homosexuals see heterosexual as a disgusting action too....I wouldn't blame them if they did.

But the bottom line is my heterosexual tendencies will forever drive what I see as desirable or not and there is not much I can do about that...

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I would think that a lot of heterosexuals would feel the same way. I support homosexual's quest to be deemed equal in the eyes of the law and by people in general. I believe in accepting people the way they are. However I don't even want to think about what they may or may not do in the bedroom. As far as that goes, I don't want to think about what ANYBODY does in the bedroom except me and my husband.

My youngest daughter is bi-sexual and is currently living with a female partner. She is happy and that is what counts with us. We have grown attached to her partner and treat her like part of the family. The only problem we have with it is that they are living together without the bonds of a deep commitment (engagement/civil union or marriage). Even though gay marriage isn't legal in our state, we would prefer that they have a long term commitment rather than just "shacking up". We would feel the same if it were a male partner. I believe kids nowdays jump into living together too soon without having a deep commitment first, and that bothers me more than their sexual orientation.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

I don't know, but my heart cries for children in war-torn countries. Those kids are just trying to get to school while avoiding bombs and snipers. Talk about putting overwhelming stress on an innocent child. Our kids have it easy - life is very good for them. I wouldn't worry about a little Family Guy.

You got me there. My goal in life from childhood was to join the Peace Corp.

Due to a physical/medical thing - - that no one could figure out (until I was 50) - - like on those Medical Miracle shows - - I was not able to accomplish my dream in this lifetime.

Parents have to remember kids don't think like adults. When my granddaughter was 9 - - she asked "Does gay mean a boy likes a boy and a girl likes a girl?" I said "Yes". She said "OK" - - then ran outside to play. It was no big deal. And it isn't a big deal - - unless an adult makes it a big deal.

As far as reaction - - - we are human. I think part of the reaction was - - that it came from a place that wasn't expected.

Even me - - who you know is an ardent vocal supporter of gay rights - - has had unexpected reactions at times.

I'm in Los Angeles not far from Hollywood. So I'm pretty much used to seeing anything and everything.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by kaylaluv

I don't know, but my heart cries for children in war-torn countries. Those kids are just trying to get to school while avoiding bombs and snipers. Talk about putting overwhelming stress on an innocent child. Our kids have it easy - life is very good for them. I wouldn't worry about a little Family Guy.

You got me there. My goal in life from childhood was to join the Peace Corp.

Due to a physical/medical thing - - that no one could figure out (until I was 50) - - like on those Medical Miracle shows - - I was not able to accomplish my dream in this lifetime.

Parents have to remember kids don't think like adults. When my granddaughter was 9 - - she asked "Does gay mean a boy likes a boy and a girl likes a girl?" I said "Yes". She said "OK" - - then ran outside to play. It was no big deal. And it isn't a big deal - - unless an adult makes it a big deal.

As far as reaction - - - we are human. I think part of the reaction was - - that it came from a place that wasn't expected.

Even me - - who you know is an ardent vocal supporter of gay rights - - has had unexpected reactions at times.

I'm in Los Angeles not far from Hollywood. So I'm pretty much used to seeing anything and everything.

Oh sure, I understand human reactions. If my daughter were to come to me in a few years and tell me she was gay, my first reaction would probably be to gasp and think, "will I ever have grandchildren?" I think that's a normal human reaction. My second reaction would be the right one - supportive.

It's funny - my neighbor told us her college-aged daughter came to her very pale and serious, wanting to discuss something. My neighbor was scared to death that her daughter was pregnant. Finally, the daughter blurted out, "I'm gay". My neighbor laughed and said, "Oh is that all -- I thought you were pregnant, whew!" Human reactions are funny.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
If my daughter were to come to me in a few years and tell me she was gay, my first reaction would probably be to gasp and think, "will I ever have grandchildren?" I think that's a normal human reaction. My second reaction would be the right one - supportive.

Did you know many gay parents react the same way?

A parent is a parent. All parents want the dream.

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I think that any liberal minded or even someone who is well meaning to a minority group may have a "blind spot" or even make a gaff or two in there dealins with minorities of any type. Overall you seem well-disposed to gays so I would chalk that up to experience. It does not make you a homophobe

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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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This post is for you.

I edited it because you edited one.

Are you planning on replying to my earlier post to you?

edit on 20-8-2012 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I edited my previous post (replying to someone else), totally changing its content, because it was a very poor attempt at sarcasm on my part, the thrust of which may have been ambiguous.

I was not intending on replying to your post as I feel I have stated my personal opinion and have provided hints as to why I have that opinion. I have read, and am reading, the posts on this topic thread but have yet to read one that makes me want to reconsider my views.

reply to post by chr0naut


And your view being that homosexuality is a choice. Do you think heterosexual orientation is a choice?

What do you think would be the outcome of that poll I suggested?

All Christians who have issues with homosexuality should read Inge Anderson. She is a true Christian IMO.

Inge Anderson is married to Andrew Anderson, and they have married sons and nine grand-children, as of 2010. Both are graduates of Andrews University. Inge, along with Ralph Seland, began a ministry to homosexually oriented Adventists in 1997, while she was still a full-time teacher in a Christian academy. gladventist.org...

Inge's Inklings: www.gladventist.org...

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by chr0naut

 

And your view being that homosexuality is a choice. Do you think heterosexual orientation is a choice?

What do you think would be the outcome of that poll I suggested?

There is a subtle, but very real difference between the motivation for an action and the commission of that action.

Xenoestrogens in the human environment are feminizing factors that apply biological pressures on ALL men (regardless of if they admit it).

I believe that the need for sexual intimacy and human contact is strong enough that it can be fulfilled via either sex in ALL people. Some need the physical part of this more, some can survive on emotional assurance. Very few are fully emotionally autistic.

As you are aware, for some, sex is a power/submission thing. For others it is more a giving/receiving thing and there are many other expressions and facets to it, but we each take what we need from sex. In this way, it muddies the waters as to what is actually going on in each person.

Again, I'll state that some choose to be celibate. They have the same motivators to sex that others do but choose not to express those motivations. It is these people who highlight the fallacy that we are "forced" to a particular sexual orientation by nature.

The motivation may be as it is, the action is the result of a choice.

Heterosexuality is a choice too (as is demonstrated by the celibate).

The outcome of the poll would be more likely to represent the views mandated by the choices people have made rather than the truth of their biological orientation. Very few would bother to break down and analyze their motives deeply enough, or would have the courage to expose themselves as being outside the percieved "norm". But there would be some, unfortunately lost amidst the noise.

Hopefully we have the self assurance, compassion and intellect that allows us to be truly frank.

I don't think that your reaction was hypocritical. I think that it was surprise.

Who would expect this in a kids movie?

It's no different then jumping when a door is slammed open in a suspenseful movie. Even when you know it's coming you still sometimes jump.

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Again, I'll state that some choose to be celibate. They have the same motivators to sex that others do but choose not to express those motivations.

The motivation may be as it is, the action is the result of a choice.

Heterosexuality is a choice too (as is demonstrated by the celibate).

I don't think it's being argued the expression is out of our control when people say it's not a choice. I certainly would not tell you I had no control over whether I could be celibate or engage in sex. You are focusing on an aspect erroneous to orientation. One can choose not to have sex. One can choose to have sex. One doesn't choose their natural inclination towards romantic and sexual feelings towards particular sexes. You are arguing something entirely different.

Here is a quick wiki.

Sexual orientation describes an enduring pattern of attraction—emotional, romantic, sexual, or some combination of these—to the opposite sex, the same sex, or both sexes, and the genders that accompany them.It is these people who highlight the fallacy that we are "forced" to a particular sexual orientation by nature.

Attraction. It's the underlying attraction. That's orientation. That's not a choice.

Here is a tired exercise that usually doesn't get a sufficient response. I hope you'll give one. When did you choose to start having feelings of sexual and romantic attractions towards the opposite sex? Was it March 13th? October 7th? After you decided that did you reaffirm that decision every day? Every week?

If you want to just argue homosexuality is wrong and therefore should not be acted upon. Okay. That's a different stance.

www.webmd.com...

Can a Person's Sexual Orientation Be Changed?

Most experts agree that sexual orientation is not a choice and, therefore, cannot be changed. Some people who are homosexual or bisexual may hide their sexual orientation and/or live as heterosexuals to avoid prejudice against people who are homosexual and bisexual. They may live as heterosexuals in order to avoid their own moral dilemmas when their sexual orientation is incompatible with their personal beliefs.

www.apa.org...

What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.

I hate to be so blunt - - - uh well - - - not really.

What the hell does celibacy have to do with what your birth sexual orientation is?

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

I don't think it's being argued the expression is out of our control when people say it's not a choice. I certainly would not tell you I had no control over whether I could be celibate or engage in sex. You are focusing on an aspect erroneous to orientation. One can choose not to have sex. One can choose to have sex. One doesn't choose their natural inclination towards romantic and sexual feelings towards particular sexes. You are arguing something entirely different.

That certainly is a much more intelligent and kinder way to say it.

I need to try that sometime.