I want to point out that when they were de-bombing his apt and telling us how utterly professional and tech. The explosives were...why then do you see the fire dept. breaking out his window? Wouldn't that have been rigged?

I don't want to hear...they looked in the window and saw it wasn't rigged...if this guy was such an expert...he would or could have rigged it so you wouldn't see the trap....

Right?

Originally posted by Maroboduus
I truly don't understand how people don't have a problem with the following fact, regardless of their opinion on everything else:

Within hours, at most, the case was basically closed. They said he did it, he acted alone, and that was that. Case closed.
Even if Holmes was the only shooter, what f'ing police force closes case and ends the investigation within a few hours of such a horrific crime? How can they definitively say that he acted alone without the benefit of ANY sort of investigation???? This was a horrific incident; don't you think they should actually bother to INVESTIGATE everything before closing the case and saying he was a lone gunman? At least explore the opportunity that he didn't act alone? Because they sure as hell didn't have enough time to do so before saying definitively that he acted alone. That is, at best, TERRIBLE and wholly incompetent police work. In no way does it even approach being an acceptable investigation.

And the stuff about the confessions is basically moot, since all of the evidence is sealed and we will never see or hear them.
Why is it sealed, by the way? Why would the evidence being released be "contrary to public interest?" Anybody care to eplain that? As someone with a pretty thorough knowledge of the legal system, i can assure you that is NOT normal procedure. If he was truly a lone psycho and there is nothing more to it, why is it contrary to public interest for the public to see the evidence?

Well, only speculation from my part, but maybe does it have to do with the possibility of the existence of another (or more) shooter(s), being secretly searched for by the police forces, in order not to provoke a mass panic in the population, and in order to make the shooter(s) believe they can get away with what they did without problem. But that's just pure speculation.

Originally posted by tracehd1
I want to point out that when they were de-bombing his apt and telling us how utterly professional and tech. The explosives were...why then do you see the fire dept. breaking out his window? Wouldn't that have been rigged?

I don't want to hear...they looked in the window and saw it wasn't rigged...if this guy was such an expert...he would or could have rigged it so you wouldn't see the trap....

Right?

Well, if you don't want to hear it, then... More seriously, what strikes me as a little strange is the fact that on the photographs we have from Holmes' apartment (and they are only exterior shots, from some distance), we can't see any cable running through the room. Were these pictures taken after the FBI took the dangerous bombs and cables out of the apartment ? Isn't it strange that no photographs of the inside of the apartment (taken days before a gag order was put in place by the judge) leaked ?

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Threads like these make me very grateful for places like ATS. It is frightening to think there are those out there who don't question the ever-changing 'official story'. Thanks for the video!

I enjoyed this. Thank you. It was very interesting.

Actually, i don't know why i've already wasted this much time on you. You've had numerous chances to state your case or make some sort of valid point, and you have completely failed. Either you truly are simply a troll, or you realize you have absolutely nothing of substance to say on this issue and have decided to just waste my time by being evasive and insulting. Or, you are simply too idiotic to comprehend that the single "point" you made has absolutely zero bearing on my posts, and are too dumb to articulate any sort of meaningful argument. In any case, congratulations for derailing me from actually speaking substantively on this issue, as opposed to arguing with you, for so long.

"Please point out to me what ticket prices have to do with a single thing that i've posted in any of the James Holmes threads."
I have asked this question over and over again, and you have yet to reply to it. And yet you accuse ME of being evasive. It was you who said my posts didn't address your points, so it's on you to explain to me what ticket prices even have to do with a single thing i've said. And you can't do it. The answer is that ticket prices have NOTHING to do with my points. They are irrelevant to the conversation. I never made any mention of them whatsoever. Goodbye.

I sincerely apologize to everybody for allowing myself to derail this thread so long with a petty argument. I am truly sorry.
So let's get this back on track:

If Holmes acted alone, and was the one who was in the theater that propped open the door before returning to open fire as police say(although multiple witnesses say that the person who propped the door open was not the same person as the shooter), how come not a SINGLE witness can place him inside of that theater?

Not one witness has said they saw him inside. So in a full theater, nobody notices a guy with bright red dyed hair sitting in the front row?
Numerous witnesses saw somebody in the front row stand up to prop open the emergency exit. The police claim it was Holmes who did this.
So all of these people saw him do it, and yet none of them recognize him? None of them notice his hair? The people sitting behind him didn't see him? The people sitting beside him didn't see him?
Remember, the theater, by all accounts, was damn near full. SOMEBODY had to be sitting in close proximity to him. So how is it nobody saw him?
How is it that everybody saw somebody stand up to prop open the door, and not one of those people can identify Holmes with his ridiculously bright red hair as that person????

You're the one doing all the hard lifting so feel free to take this thread where you please IMO..

Also, as a rule, arguments on ATS are really fun to witness and keep most of us coming back.

And how about this:
According to every single witness who saw somebody prop open the door, that person did so immediately after receiving a call on their cell phone. Who made that phone call? What was its significance? If Holmes acted alone, then why would he wait until he received a phone call in order to initiate his plan? Are we supposed to believe that phone call was just a coincidence?
"Oh hey, my buddy is calling. I better answer it. Oh, that reminds me, i was planning on shooting all of these people! Guess i may as well go change into my body armor while i talk on the phone!"
And the police have said NOTHING to explain that phone call.

So a theater full of people see somebody stand up during the movie to prop open the door, and not one of them can ID that person as Holmes (despite the fact that Holmes had absurdly bright red hair). They all say he received a phone call before he opened the door (which would seem to imply it was some sort of signal to prop open the door at that time), and yet we are supposed to believe that there was only one person involved. The police have made no effort whatsoever to explain who made that call or why.

At the very least, that phone call would open the possibility that there was somebody else involved who made that call. At the very least, it seems like something worth looking into.
But, nope: they immediately said he acted alone without even taking enough time to investigate. No eplanation for that phone call. No explanation for the gas mask being so far away when police initially claimed he was wearing it when they arrived, no explanation as to why none of the witnesses who saw somebody prop open the door can ID that person as Holmes, no explanation as to why so many witnesses say there were multiple shooters, no explanation as to why they said they ID'ed him immediately due to his body armor/gas mask/rifle when all of that stuff was not only lying on the ground but was spread over a wide area (despite the fact that Holmes supposedly exited the theater and then basically just waited by his car until police arrived), no explanation as to why there is so security footage, no valid reason for the evidence to be sealed, etc etc etc....nothing.

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