Benchkey: As I understand it, resent research finds that the Great Pyramids and the Sphinx were constructed about 10,500 years ago. Thus their construction was before the mentioned 7000 year shift in Earth poles.
Benchkey: Also the ancient Egyptian government historically stockpiled enough grain and other dry goods to feed its people for at least 7 years.
Benchkey: It is likely that some of the people stockpiled their own grain as well.
Benchkey: While the country was dry in terms of irrigation of crops, it is also likely that many individuals grew enough crops and raised a few animals so to feed their households. They would have had a source of water, enough for this purpose but not enough to irrigate on a large scale.
Benchkey: The key to this working for the ancient Egyptians is that they had enough agricultural education to accomplish these tasks on an individual scale. This is true, around the world, even today with many householders having private gardens, and some even having small Aquaponic setups that feed their family fish and greens.
Benchkey: I find the logic of building a pyramid during times of great hardship to be illogical. Such a project is not one that would logically be undertaken during times of famine.
"There was a king named Saurid, the son of Sahaloe, 300 years before the Deluge, who dreamed one night that he saw the earth overturned with its inhabitants, the men cast down on their faces, the stars falling out of the heavens, and striking one against the other, and making horrid and dreadful cries as they fell. He thereupon awoke much troubled... Next morning he ordered all the princes of the priests, and magicians of all the provinces of Egypt, to meet together; which they did to the number of 130 priest and soothsayers, with whom he went and related to them his dream.
Among others, the priest Aclimon, who was the greatest of all, and resided chiefly in the king's Court, said thus to him... I dreamed, said the priest... that I saw the heaven sink down below its ordinary situation, so that it was near the crown of our heads, covering and surrounding us, like a great basin turned upside down; that the stars were intermingled among men in diverse figures; that the people implored your Majesty's succor, and ran to you in multitudes as their refuge; that you lifted up your hands above your head, and endeavored to thrust back the heaven, and keep it from coming down so low...I thought we saw a certain part of heaven opening, and a bright light coming out of it; that afterwards the sun rose out of the same place, and we began to implore his assistance; whereupon he said thus to us: "The heaven will return to its ordinary situation when I shall have performed three hundred courses". I thereupon awaked extremely affrighted."
The priest having thus spoken, the king commanded them to take the height of the stars, and to consider what accident they portended. Whereupon they declared that they promised first the Deluge, and after that fire. Then he commanded pyramids should be built, that they might remove and secure in them what was of most esteem in their treasuries, with the bodies of the kings, and their wealth, and the aromatic roots which served them, and that they should write their wisdom upon them, that the violence of the water might not destroy it." – Murtadi - (992 AD at Tithe, in Arabia). Translated in 1672.
Benchkey: Also the construction of the bulk of the pyramid would not be conducive to the storage of grain. Yes the lower chambers would, but certainly not the upper chambers. Grain is like sand or even water, it flows down hill. How could you explain grain being stored in the upper chambers.
"Except for a small lot of fruits of nabq (Zizyphus Spina-Christi) discovered beneath the Step Pyramid itself, and a single fruit of hegelig (Balanites aegyptiaca) gathered at the northern entrance to the great underground in the west (see pl. I), all other elements come from the group of underground galleries near the northern enclosure wall."
pg. 122, [EXTRAIT DU BULLETIN DE L'INSTITUT D'EGYPTE, T. XXXII - SESSION 1949-1950], LES PLANTES D'COUVERTES DANS LES SOUTERRAINS DE L'ENCEINTE DU ROI ZOSER - SAQQARAH (IIIE DYNASTIE), J.-P. LAUER, V. LAURENT TACKHOLM ET E. ABERG, 1950]
"...Solomon (1965) recorded Sitophilus Granarius from barley deposited in a tomb beneath the step pyramid at Saqqara..."
- Journal of Archaeological science (1999) 26, 547-551 Article No. jasc.1998.0328
"Once again, the investigation of the west mounds is not yet complete, but excavations here have shown that there are no chambers in their superstructures... five shafts and staircases provided access to the substructure, which is composed of long, partly destroyed corridors and projecting side chambers. In some sections, a large number of fragments of stone vessels were found, together with grains (barley and wheat) and dried fruit." - from www.touregypt.net... " target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">here.
"Various complimentary explorations in the Zoser complex were undertaken by Firth. He found in the northern area near a vast rock-cut alter, simulated store-rooms [granaries] above subterranean galleries containing great quantities of provisions of wheat, barley, sycamore figs and grapes..." - Lauer, JP, Saqqara:
the royal cemetery of Memphis : excavations and discoveries since 1850, p.98
"Finally, in the obviously unfinished northern part of the complex, there is a gigantic altar carved into the rock, with the remains of a limestone casing. Offerings must have been exposed on the alter before being taken, through a shaft 60m away, down into the storerooms that branch from a gallery running east-west. These chambers contained mostly wheat and barley..."
- Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, Kathryn A. Bard, p.864
"At the north end of the pyramid complex is a very large courtyard, still not fully cleared of debris, with an altar near the northern wall. Underground galleries along this wall contained real food - granaries of wheat and barley, but also figs, grapes, and bread. An extensive system of underground galleries, mostly inaccessible, is also located to the west of the pyramid and southern court..... Entered from 11 vertical shafts, some of the subterranean corridors lead to long narrow storerooms for an astonishing number of carved stone vessels (about 40,000!), many of which were made in the first two dynasties." - Kathryn A. Bard, An introduction to the archaeology of ancient Egypt, p.129
Benchkey: Likewise the space offered by the pyramids would not be sufficient for the purpose.
Benchkey: From my limited understanding of Ancient Egypt, their storage bins were underground for the most part. The areas chosen would be very dry, and these storage "bins" would have been surrounded by sand, the entrance would be covered with a stone and then sand.
Benchkey: Sand would have precluded rodents, and most bugs burrowing in and stealing the grain. Rodents, snakes, and the like instinctively know that if they burrow into sand, it collapses around them, and they would likely become stuck and die. The Egyptians also knew this and used the sand to their advantage.
As I understand it, resent research finds that the Great Pyramids and the Sphinx were constructed about 10,500 years ago. Thus their construction was before the mentioned 7000 year shift in Earth poles.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by crazyguy2012
We are a global community now with mass transportation. In this case, Technology can work for us. It seems reasonable to assume as some of Earth's regions become less productive others will become more productive.
It will just take more cooperation
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Eidolon23
Hmmm....that is interesting.
I always wondered why Irish died in the potato famine. I mean, they live on a small island. Didn't seafood make up any of their diet?
that's awsome being of a pacific islander heritage all sorts of seafood are on my list of things to eat, so I couldn't comprehend actually starving on an island.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by punkinworks10
Man, you gotta hate when cultural aversion defy logic to the point of mortality.
I would be the village freak in Ireland. I eat a shellfish at least 3 times a week (i use a lot of bay scallops in veggie dishes).
i like seafood, but shellfish in particular are my favorite.