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U.S. refuses to recognize diplomatic asylum of WikiLeaks founder

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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And anyone surprised hasn't been paying attention or has just woken up.

*** BY US I MEAN GOVERNMENT NOT THE PEOPLE OF THE US *** As the People of the US have very little say so in our government rulings

The US signed the Geneva Convention Ruling against torture yet tortures.

The US also agreed not to use Weapons of mass destruction yet is the only country not once but twice drop a atomic bomb on two different cities as well as used spent nuclear material waste in our bombs on the Middle East.

The US Government, is a noted arms, militia and drug seller and trader throughout the world.

Our elections are now rigged and a sham.

We sign agreements with other countries and yet go about doing exactly what a small group of elitist that gather at Bohemian Grove in robes with torches and worship a 40 Foot Owl (a little strange no????) dictate.

The US is run by a small group of bankers and corporate heads with a up to date military and police force that is one of the most modern and efficient in the world because over 50% of the already overly taxed "common man" shells into via their taxes.


FACT #8: In dollars for defense, we’re still #1 with a bullet The United States spends 58 percent of the total defense dollars paid out by the world’s top 10 military powers, which combined for $1.19 trillion in military funding in 2011. With its unparalleled global reach, the US outspends China, the next-biggest military power, by nearly 6-to-1. Source: delcotimes.com...


The US Government recognizes only who this small group of world bankers and elitists want to recognize and smash anyone that goes against what they dictate, including murdering, swindling, lying, cheating and the use of any and all underhanded means like the continuation of biological and chemical testing and weapons manufacturing which also was agreed upon by the world governments not to do.

And no I am not talking about the 99% of you that are reading this...................you, me, the next person that will reply both before and after me has little say so in how this mighty super military power is run.

For the People and By the People is a big fat friggin joke..............a illusion.

Freedom, choice, liberty is a thing of the distant past. Most Americans are not aware of how deep this deception is and how, like a cancer it has now spread globally.

The small world elitists employ torture and murder commonly to overthrow other governments,place into power only those that will serve what this country dictates and changes the rules of the agreed upon game at whim.


To understand the above concepts go here:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net... and read:

This video cannot be embedded here so you will have to go here: www.bibliotecapleyades.net... and check out the video.

The trailer for this movie does indeed tell one what has and is going on.



A shame this great movie is not on You Tube or Google in one piece, it's chopped up (except in the video link above) into about a dozen pieces.

The US Government does exactly what it (not the people who call this country home) wants to do. They obey no international laws or agreements and the small group of global individuals that move under the cloak of this world power do exactly as they wish irregardless of correct & legal protocol.

And if you whistle blow on this super corporate power, look out, just ask JFK, Julian Assange or Bradley Manning.

Again, see the Video: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Many people will respond, I imagine with anger, because they actually still think they are calling the shots via "their vote".

Well, we have basically a two party system that works for the same cabal, giving it's people the illusion they have "a vote".

The US does not honor it's debts, it's agreements nor recognize or care about the needs of it's own people nor any other country that gets in the 1%'s way.

Any means justify their end, including but not limited to eliminating any and all who speak out against this monster.

There will be no safe haven for anyone that goes against this global monster because this global monster has no real champion that is strong enough to take it down as of yet.


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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by HEYJOSE
On one hand the U.S. government condems the two year prison sentence of Pussy Riot in Russia citing it as a violation of free speech and on the other hand they imprison Bradley Manning and persecute Julian Assange for whistleblowing, which is an exercise in free speech as well....what hypocracy! Now the U.S. govenment is not going to honor diplomatic law? Not smart. Countries around the world, probably starting in latin America will start the expulsion of U.S & U.K. diplomats and deservedly so.


Pvt. Manning is military which means he does not have the same rights as civilians do. They know this before they even sign the paperwork to join the military.

Manning / Assange did not protest an election but instead opted to steal and publich classified documents.

There is a difference.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by jaws1975
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


I stand corrected, there is an arrest warrant, there just hasn't been any charges filed. I wonder if that's because of the below statement?


Chief Prosecutor Eva Finné declared, "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape."


Source


A comparison to the US legal system would be a material witness warrant. It allows for the arrest of an individual who has relevant information to an investigation / prosecution who refuses to turn it over.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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Manning and Assange are both heroes, they choose to inform the people of wrong doings and infractions of signed world agreements.

They did not leak out vital military secrets and yes Manning is military.

So where the Nazi soldiers.

There comes a time when if you are a soldier and told to blow up a baby or shoot a elderly unarmed civilian - will you?

Your answer is clear.

In my book, you like the American Government has no human morals and are blind to the tyranny going on.

The people of this planet deserve to know the truth.

Wonder who signs your paycheck?
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Bravo Assange. Keep up the good fight, you're not alone!
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by BlindBastards
Sweden closed the sex charge case in 2010, citing there was a belief that he had no case to answer for. Why was it reopened recently? Was Sweden pressured?

I would direct that question to Swedens staements. Could it be possible they have more evidence that they are not releasing? Just because a case is closed does not mean the charges were not valid. A lot of times its closed because the evidnce in question is not enough to support prosecution. Even more often in those cases when new evidence comes up its reviewed and if the info does support the charges they reopen and refile.

Sweden reopens Assange case



Originally posted by BlindBastards
I can counter your Ecuador statement be asking you this, why do people fleeing places like Sri Lanka and Sudan seek asylum is countries like Australia, considering as you put it, Australia has nothing to do with the conflict? It’s their right to seek asylum elsewhere when they fear for their lives, just like it should be Assange’s right to seek political asylum when he fears such a situation that is happening, rightly or wrongly. He’d be a fool to go to a country that has an abused any extradition treaty with the US, hence why he won’t accept “help” from Australia. Ecuador has an extradition treaty with the US, but if it’s understood the seeker is a political prisoner they will not hand him over. A lot of countries have such a treaty, but many abuse it whereas Ecuador does not.


You ignored the part where asylum requests and use of en embassy are not to be used to circumvent the legal system in another country. They must justify their action an meet the criteria established for it to be lawful. In Assanges case his argument is based on something that has not occured - extradition to the US. He used asylum to avoid the legal issue in Sweden by blaming the US.



Originally posted by BlindBastards
rt.com...

Have a read. If you were in the same situation (or one similar), what would your own actions be? The answer to the last question they ask is interesting, but also the fact that Assange made himself available to be questioned on these charges for two years. Why didn’t Sweden take him up on this?

When a foreign national is charged with a crime that persons embassy is notified. The role of the embassy is to monitor and ensure their national has equal access to the legal system as if they were a citizen of that country. There is nothing more Australia can do.

As for making himself available he has not. The alleged crime occured in Sweden, not Britain. The victims are in sweden not Britain. The legal system being used is in Sweden not Britain. The prosecution is in sweden not britain. The evidence is in sweden not Britain.

Assange has leveled accusations against the US that they broke laws. In that process Assange broke laws of his own by printing classified information that did not belong to him.

Why is that acceptable when Assange is accused of the same an does the very thing he despised - ignoring laws to benefit himself?
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I know there were lots of teeth gnashed and wails cried about this subject when the leaks first happened.....did anyone ever actually positively tie any such casualties to the leaks?

After all if we point out the lack of credible evidence for chemtrails, illuminati, reptilians, etc., then there's no reason not to ask fo the actual evidence of this claim too.


The point behind my comment was to show how Assange supporters will accept information so long as it supports their position / argument. The body count numbers people claim were caused by the US are from documents that specifically point out the flaws in their own reporting. While we can get an accurate civilian death count what we cannot do is determine who was responsible for the death.

The reports that was linked on one of the posts in this thread used media acounts, anonymous sources, hospitals etc etc.

If they are willing to accuse the US based on their own interpretation then why is it not ok when it comes back at them?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by maluminse
No incorrect. He has committed no crime regarding the US. Manning was recently tortured in an attempt to get him to say he conspired with Assange but to this date he has not. Outside of fabrication of evidence there is nothing to charge him with currently.

No its correct.
Since there are no charges pending I will grant the no law violation.
Manning was not tortured so please provide your source that says he is.
Please show evidence that the information from manning was obtained via torture.



Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Espionage is what Manning will be tried with b/c he is a US citizen. Assange is not.

Espionage laws in the US dont require citizenship. Treason is the only law that does require it and Assange is not subject to it, contrary to the lies he and his legal team state about it.

Assange is subject to espionage laws in the US.



Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Assange is subject to similar laws which failed when attempting to prosecute the NY Times when publishing leaked information. However is less subject b/c unlike NY times he is not a citizen.

The case you re referring to is the pentagon papers and if you actually research it you will see the reporters in that case were charged with violating federal law for releasing classified information. The prosecutor in that case (the case did make it to court btw) made a procedural error that resulted in a mistrial and the prosecutor never refiled.

There was NO supreme court ruling protecting the media from prosecution for printing classified information. Journalists have been found in contempt for failing to identify sources. The mindset of immunity for the media is based on a fallacy / misinterpretation of what occured / the law.




Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
The US, short of torturing Manning to say he was involved, will have to create the law or grotesquely interpret current law.

Incorrect.. And again please show manning was tortured. Please look up the UCMJ as well and see how it applies to manning in this case and what the differences are between manning, the UCMJ and Assange and US domestic laws.



Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Assange has committed no crime. However the old joke is that you can indict a bologna sandwich. There have been grand juries meeting. So will see.

There is a reason behind that saying and it has a lot to do with required criteria levels.

Is the US not entitled to investigate violations of US laws?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by DragonFire1024
So the US doesn't recognize international law...at least when it doesn't apply to them. Remember the Chinese dissident a few months ago? The US was so intent about getting that man to the US...and probably helped him escape to the American embassy in China. The US government is full of liars, cheaters and hypocrites. My government is NOT above any law.


Thats not what the US stated so please go back an re-read it and understand it. The 1954 OAS treaty was signed by North, CEnral and South American countries however not all of them. The US in addition to Canada a few others declined.

Secondly the OAS doesn't apply to the EU.

The Chinese dissendent left the US embassy and through negotiations they secured his ability to eventually leave China. China had to agree to it and they did.

In this case the UK / Sweden dont agree with the asylum for legitimate reasons.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Hahaha, US deny ignorance much? If things don't go your way, just refuse to acknowledge it exists. Whats funny is they have to at least admit that they deny the thing they refuse to believe in, and yet they call us deniers. Ha.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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I for one hope the bastard gets a full metal jacket right between the eyes.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
*** BY US I MEAN GOVERNMENT NOT THE PEOPLE OF THE US *** As the People of the US have very little say so in our government rulings

That is because people are slack ass lazy when it comes to voting but I digress. Also it has nothing to do



Originally posted by ofhumandescent
The US signed the Geneva Convention Ruling against torture yet tortures.

Read the Head money case and the result of the Supreme Court ruling for your answer to this comment.



Originally posted by ofhumandescent
The US also agreed not to use Weapons of mass destruction yet is the only country not once but twice drop a atomic bomb on two different cities as well as used spent nuclear material waste in our bombs on the Middle East.

Please learn your history. The nuclear weapon did not come until the end of WWII and was NOT part of a WMD treaty. How can nuclear weapons be included in a trewaty that had no yet been established?

As for the rest it has nothing to do with Assange, Sweden or the UK.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Manning and Assange are both heroes, they choose to inform the people of wrong doings and infractions of signed world agreements.

Illegally accessing, passing on and disseminating classified information is not an infraction. It has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.



Originally posted by ofhumandescent
They did not leak out vital military secrets and yes Manning is military.

They did actually being documents showed how supply lines were working and the elvel of cooperation from other countries in the region.nIt has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.




Originally posted by ofhumandescent
There comes a time when if you are a soldier and told to blow up a baby or shoot a elderly unarmed civilian - will you?

Nope but then again we werent the ones who decided to engage coalition forces from populated areas / schools / mosques. This has nothing to do with Assange, the UK and Sweden.



Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Your answer is clear.

Not to you its not. What is clear is your ability to see only what you want while ignoring anything that doesnt fit. Using your logic here then it must be true that Manning and Assange conspired with each other to violate US law. Oh, by the way - It has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.




Originally posted by ofhumandescent
In my book, you like the American Government has no human morals and are blind to the tyranny going on.

Nice plug... Next time you should think about researching ALL sides before you just reach an incorrect conclusion. How are your book sales going? By the way It has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.




Originally posted by ofhumandescent
The people of this planet deserve to know the truth.

Yet here you are, only pushing your truth while ignoring everything that does not fit your agenda. Thats not truth by the way. It has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.




Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Wonder who signs your paycheck?
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Ah yes the old standby.. Cant refute the facts so you resoert to a personal attack mixed with paranoia.

Grow up and act like an adult would you please. You wrote a book so you should understand the concept or more than just one side to every story.

It has nothing to do with Assanhe the UK or Sweden.

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by youwillneverknow
I for one hope the bastard gets a full metal jacket right between the eyes.


Ironically enough should that ever happen there wont be an investigation. Assange supporters will just accuse the US of doing it with no evidence to support it while ignoring any and all evidence that says something different.

Hell if Assange commits suicide on live tv they will blame the US and argue he was a manchurian result.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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The Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson and adopted by the Second Continental Congress, states the reasons the British colonies of North America sought independence in July of 1776. The declaration opens with a preamble describing the document's necessity in explaining why the colonies have overthrown their ruler and chosen to take their place as a separate nation in the world.

"All men are created equal and there are certain unalienable rights that governments should never violate. These rights include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When a government fails to protect those rights, it is not only the right, but also the duty of the people to overthrow that government. In its place, the people should establish a government that is designed to protect those rights."


I think this is the most brilliant text ever written. If things don't turn around, it's pretty obvious what needs to be done.



  1. Martin Luther King: dead
  2. JFK: dead
  3. Gandhi: dead
  4. John Lennon: dead
    ....



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
Hahaha, US deny ignorance much? If things don't go your way, just refuse to acknowledge it exists. Whats funny is they have to at least admit that they deny the thing they refuse to believe in, and yet they call us deniers. Ha.



Originally posted by filosophia
Hahaha, Xcathedra, deny ignorance much? If things don't go your way, just refuse to acknowledge it exists. Whats funny is they have to at least admit that they deny the thing they refuse to believe in, and yet they call us deniers. Ha.


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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Odd how the UK won't extradite Gary Mckinnon, a man who hacked into NASA and the Pentagon to reveal alien technology being used, but are feverishly trying to get Assange with weak allegations.

Assange must have rubbed the wrong shoulders, big time, or is withholding information that he knows still.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."


President John F. Kennedy at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheLegend
Odd how the UK won't extradite Gary Mckinnon, a man who hacked into NASA and the Pentagon to reveal alien technology being used, but are feverishly trying to get Assange with weak allegations.


Gary did not "hack" into those systems. The systems were unprotected and had blank admin passwords.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Nice quote but it's only about 40% of his speech. Here's the full thing where he mentions the "monolithic and ruthless conspiracy". www.youtube.com...

JFK also claimed that the presidency was hijacked. He told his close friends this, even Monroe, and he was going to bring this to the attention of the American people. Then...







 
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