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Obamacare and the Destruction of the Elderly

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posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by xuenchen
We know from reading the PPACA law that much power has been delegated to HHS.


So you've read all 900-something pages of the bill?
Or just some of it?



HHS is the one creating all these boards and panels.

Has anyone seen a complete list of HHS authorities ?

Especially Medicare related powers.

Many HHS authority may not be "reversible" by Congress ?

And I wonder what future administrations will do with present rules and regulations set up by HHS?



I don't think it is about rules and regulations but more about protecting people when they are denied coverage for treatment...creating another recourse other than suing the insurance company....as well as setting up some sort of watchdog over the excessive waste and over-pricing so prevalent in health care.


Obamacare has death panels!: That sounds so cartoonishly evil it must be true, right? Well, no. No part of the bill says anything about appointing people to decide whether or not someone dies. The decision over whether or not your claim is approved is still in the hands of your insurer. However, now there's an appeals process so if your claim gets turned down, you can challenge that. And the government watches that appeals process to make sure it's not being unfair to customers. So if anything the PPACA is trying to stop the death panels. ( Citation: Page 42, sec. 2719 )

What about the Independent Medical Advisory Board? Death Panels!: The Independent Medical Advisory Board is intended to give recommendations on how to save Medicare costs per person, deliver more efficient and effective care, improve access to services, and eliminate waste. However, they have no real power. They put together a recommendation to put before Congress, and Congress votes on it, and the President has power to veto it. What's more, they are specifically told that their recommendation will not ration health care, raise premiums or co-pays, restrict benefits, or restrict eligibility. In other words, they need to find ways to save money without reducing care for patients. So no death panels. In any sense of the (stupid) term. ( Citation: Page 426, sec. 3403 )


I actually have "skimmed over" most of it !!

But as you, we all rely on summaries.

HHS plays a very big role in the regulatory game.


After “health,” the most frequently used word in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is neither “patient” nor “physician” nor “hospital” nor “insurance.” “Secretary,” as in “the secretary of health and human services,” is mentioned more than 2,500 times in the 2,300-page bill.

And more than 700 times, the PPACA says “the secretary shall.” [50] Each of these directives is a sign of new regulations to come on physicians and health care. Unfortunately, the PPACA was not the genesis of physician regulation, nor are these busy rulemakers limited to the federal government. “An extensive regulatory framework … arose haphazardly, with little consideration of how the pieces fit together,” the Federal Trade Commission and U.S. Department of Justice reported in 2004. [51] The huge numbers of state and federal regulations and their haphazard nature place tremendous burdens on physicians’ practices, most of which are still small businesses. These rules insert themselves between physicians and their patients, frequently do little to improve patient care, and divert physicians’ time and energy away from the patients in the exam room. We need to repeal, reorganize, and reprioritize if we want a functional health care delivery system...............

Repeal Harmful and Onerous Regulations
 




posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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And as expected, the HHS is of course a bit lackadaisical.


In a disturbing new discovery, American Action Forum research found that Affordable Care Act (ACA) regulations have missed nearly half of their deadlines. Of the ACA regulations with legal deadlines, 47 percent, 20 of 42, have broken the mandated implementation schedule.

“The Secretary shall…” language in legislation often allows legislators to cede broad policymaking authority to administrative agencies. In significant regulatory overhauls, such as Dodd-Frank or the ACA, the phrase literally appears hundreds of times. However, with both pieces of legislation, agencies are often required to issue regulations by a specific date. ...................


some may seem "unimportant" and lack priority, but then why is it in the laws ?

the article has a chart......

see if you can find some "important" ones.

there are some.

Analysis Finds Obamacare Already Missed Nearly Half of Its Regulatory Deadlines



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Yes it is. Palin was right about it. Some govt bureaucrats will be making a lot of decisions.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Sulie
i'll tell you what.............there was such an outrage in Arizona over illegals with children receiving benefits, while tax paying citizens were denied.........lawsuit after lawsuit........
It's gong to get dirty and nasty, because while illegals in Arizona were receiving benefits, single people in Arizona who had paid taxes were denied unless they had a catastrophic illness........like cancer.

It has been eye opening for people who pay taxes in this state, and outrageous!


Yeah.

Well people in Arizona are crazy.



Annie!!! way to make a mighty blanket statement.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Oh yah and don't forget the whole cutting feet off thing he said too! I just heard that again when Glenn Beck was discussing the Ryan hoopla being discussed in the media.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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One of the points being here that govt has zero business getting involved in this, but it's fascism lite. And liberals accuse Republicans of being fascist... this is smiley face fascism if I ever saw it, but it's for everyone's own good....(snark)


Two notable regulations that missed their deadlines are also two of the more controversial. The new requirements for the calorie labeling of food in vending machines and menu items will cost restaurants and other small businesses more than $822 million to implement, and generate more than 1.4 million annual paperwork burden hours. However, businesses are still waiting for a final rule, and the proposed version arrived late as well.


americanactionforum.org...



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Arizona has been nothing but political media whores.. Not the people of AZ, but the reps they have are horriable... What do you expect though? Jan Brewer has lied, jumped on every trending political hot topic from abortion, to immigration to birther bs. Her electorial actions where even found to be illegal when she attempted to redistrict and remove those from office in her way.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
Obamacare is a system that's designed to kill people off as they get older.


Why am I not surprised?

Remember the movie Logan's Run?
Everyone was chipped, trapped inside a city, and had to die at a predetermined age.
The only difference that I see is that the people who earn (and therefore pay) more would be made to live longer.
Does not sound fun.

I would rather live out in the desert eating thistles and rattlesnakes.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Sulie
i'll tell you what.............there was such an outrage in Arizona over illegals with children receiving benefits, while tax paying citizens were denied.........lawsuit after lawsuit........
It's gong to get dirty and nasty, because while illegals in Arizona were receiving benefits, single people in Arizona who had paid taxes were denied unless they had a catastrophic illness........like cancer.

It has been eye opening for people who pay taxes in this state, and outrageous!


Yeah.

Well people in Arizona are crazy.


Annie!!! way to make a mighty blanket statement.


Do you live in Arizona?


edit on 20-8-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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I was going to say the same thing, someone is trying to reinstitute the death panel lie to scare seniors right before the election.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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reply to post by seeker1963
 


Asking someone in your neighborhood if they have trouble making an appointment isn't fact.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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I don't have any problems.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Because when you have a healthcare system that is based on for profit, doctors don't want to take health insurance, such as medicare, that pays them less.
Which is why there are so few geriatric specialists.

Also the reason for so few PCP, because everyone becomes a specialist to make the dough.

Ease the student loan burden for PCP or internal medicine doctors, or pay them more, and you will see the shortage go away.

They are too busy and don't make enough.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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I lived in Arizona, we came to the conclusion that too much heat does things to the brain.

It is still the wild west, only with air conditioning.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Annee
 


I lived in Arizona, we came to the conclusion that too much heat does things to the brain.

It is still the wild west, only with air conditioning.


LOL


I've been there 20 years. I think you're right.

Yes - - many live in the old west time warp. AZ also has a lot of military.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Honor93
 


Because when you have a healthcare system that is based on for profit, doctors don't want to take health insurance, such as medicare, that pays them less.
Which is why there are so few geriatric specialists.

Also the reason for so few PCP, because everyone becomes a specialist to make the dough.

Ease the student loan burden for PCP or internal medicine doctors, or pay them more, and you will see the shortage go away.

They are too busy and don't make enough.


This makes no sense.

One of the reason the the elderly have been living longer is Medicare. They have access to healthcare and the Congress sets the reimbursement rates and they shop around for Doctors that will accept the reimbursement rates. My Mothers on Medicare and loves it and she loves her Doctors.

Obama wants to change this. He wants to give less access to healthcare services for Seniors and control what healthcare procedures they can or can't get through the IPAB.

The whole idea behind Obamacare is to reduce the use of healthcare services in order to slow the growth of Medicare. Who uses most of these services? The Elderly.

Obama and the Democrats simply want to kill Grandma. They want to slow the increase of life expectancy for Seniors so they won't collect benefits in SS and Medicare so long.

So, it has nothing to do with the uninsured. The uninsured consist of a lot of young people that don't use healthcare as much as the elderly. So you take 716 Billion from Seniors to start a new program Obamacare that will give healthcare to mostly young people who don't use healthcare services.

So Obama and the Democrats can kill off Seniors and stop them from collecting benefits so long and they can do it in the name of helping the uninsured.

This is how Progressives think. They see the State as almighty and the state should be all powerful. Anything that takes from the State, like Seniors living longer, is seen as a threat to the State.

Obama said in a 2001 interview that the Constitution was fundamentally flawed because it restrains Govt. and doesn't talk about the Redistribution of wealth.

Progressive George Bernard Shaw talked about killing people with "humane gas" if they couldn't show there worth to the State. This is why Obama and the Democrats always talk about end of life care and Obama says we as a society needs to decide how to handle end of life care. It shouldn't be a personal decision between you and your Doctor but "society" meaning him and his liberal friends should decide whether you live or die based on the needs of the State. So Obama's message to Seniors, stop living long and happy lives and collecting SS and Medicare and just die.

George Bernard Shaw was one of the left's most revered figures and the only person besides Al Gore to win both an Oscar and a Nobel prize. He advocated killing folks that can't prove their worth to the State by gassing them. If you didn't produce more than you consume, then you should be killed by some "humane gas." This is what Obama is saying to the elderly. The Government is starting to pay out benefits to Seniors for SS and Medicare much more than they produce and consume. It's really sad to see. This is some of the "fundamental change" and "collective salvation" of Obama.




posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Honor93
 


Because when you have a healthcare system that is based on for profit, doctors don't want to take health insurance, such as medicare, that pays them less.
Which is why there are so few geriatric specialists.

Also the reason for so few PCP, because everyone becomes a specialist to make the dough.

Ease the student loan burden for PCP or internal medicine doctors, or pay them more, and you will see the shortage go away.

They are too busy and don't make enough.
so, are you arguing for the sake of arguing or what exactly ?

drs have been refusing Medicare and Medicaid patients since before i left the industry in 97.
however, they seem to be amplifying that behavior these days.

since the system has always been "for profit", i don't follow your thinking here ...

a healthcare system that is based on for profit, doctors don't want to take health insurance, such as medicare, that pays them less
it hasn't been that big of a deal until now ... more seniors/medicare/medicaid and less providers. what does the "for profit" thing have to do with it ??

i know plenty of patients who are covered with Medicare but choose to pay for the dr of their choice, regardless of the insurance being accepted or not.
(again, what does "for profit" have to do with it ?)


Which is why there are so few geriatric specialists
really ?? guess that depends on location, location, location, eh ??
www.ask.com...
they don't seem to be dwindling here but we are a heavy geriatric community.
ob/gyn - now, that's a bit more challenging in these parts.

and before you say Medicare patients don't require ob/gyn care, think again.
here, many young ppl are covered by Medicare ... those on SSI, SSDI, and a variety of other ailments qualify for Medicare coverage regardless of their adult age.

most of the above mentioned "type" of patients are on Medicaid til age 18 then automatically transferred into the Medicare program til death.

not addressing the other "excuses" cause that's all they are.
not all that long ago, treatment could be obtained with a "promise to pay" and nothing more.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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This is the reason he cut 716 billion from Medicare.


How did I know I would see this lie when I opened up this thread???

Go educate yourself.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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So, a female friend of mine went to the hospital two days ago, she was suffering from abdomnimal pain, vomiting. The doctors locllaly could not figure out what was wrong with her and sent her to another city. SHE HAS GREAT INSURANCE along with midicaid/medicare. Today, Medicare cut off her coverage....So now she has to go home. No proper diagnosis, she is still sick as a dog. t
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