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As it was in the days of Noah

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Paul describes in Philippians 3 his Jewish bona fide's and says he counts them all as lost, exchanging that for being a follower of Christ.


All are lost without Christ. Those who try to be saved by the OT law, are not the true Israel of God. Those who have salvation thru Christ are the true Israel of God. They are true Jews. Paul's words in Romans 2 are still for today.




posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Paul's words in Romans 2 are still for today.

Judaism is a religion, where a practitioner of that religion could be called a Jew. I was Just watching a movie today called "Everything Is Illuminated" where Elijah Wood plays a character who goes to Ukraine to see where his grandparents came from. At one point in the movie he says "Sammy Davis Jr is America's most famous black Jew. He converted."
Israel as a term identified those who came up from Egypt with Moses, which included Hebrews and others.
The new exodus has Jesus leading including Jews and others, creating metaphorically speaking, a New Israel.
edit on 20-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Judaism is a religion,


Judaism is also a race. There are atheists who still claim to be Jewish because of their birth, not their religion.

However, the only true Judaism is Christianity. All others are cut off from the olive tree.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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All are lost without Christ.


I can see a lot of "Christ" going on around here (veneration, not imitation), and it looks to me like you're still pretty lost.

Guess it's not as effective as you'd hoped, eh? Looks like you might actually have to WORK for your spirituality. Oh, the horror!



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Judaism is also a race. There are atheists who still claim to be Jewish because of their birth, not their religion.

There isn't a "Jewish race" and that sounds more like Nazi propaganda from the 30's to me.
Hypothetically there are people who are descended from the tribe of Judah but that was already being disputed from the the time of Nehemiah.
The core genetic group which the Hebrews were of were the Amorites who spread themselves across Mesopotamia and Syria two thousand years before Christ. One branch went into Palestine and is what we think of as the Hebrews and they are probably today mostly Muslim.
The dominant group calling themselves Jews today are likely from converts starting in the Persian Empire times and into the Medieval central Asia and into the Caucasus region. They migrated into Russia and Germany and then into Palestine though they are not actually are related to the original people we think of as the Jews of the Bible.
That is not to say that there are no "real" Jews in Palestine today, but most are probably Palestinians.
The New Testament does not support the idea that Christians are Jews. We are Gods Chosen People and share conceptual similarities to Israel. We are part of the widening out of the blessings promised to Abraham that is worldwide and will eventually be a better inheritance, meaning not just our descendants will inhabit the land but us individually will live on the earth forever.
edit on 21-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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The New Testament does not support the idea that Christians are Jews.


I disagree. Gentiles are graffed into the Jewish olive tree.


Originally posted by jmdewey60

There isn't a "Jewish race" and that sounds more like Nazi propaganda from the 30's to me.


Was the book written by a rabbi that I read, wrong?

Hitler was also a Jew by birth.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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The olive tree isn't the only tree in the garden. Plenty of nut trees produce oil. Jesus had a taste for figs. Peach trees are nice. I love mangoes too!

I wonder what kind of tree Buddhists are?



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Was the book written by a rabbi that I read, wrong?
Yes, and he is probably a propagandist of another kind, tricking Christians into thinking they are somehow Jews, maybe.

Hitler was also a Jew by birth.
This sort of talk lends nothing to your credibility. All that nonsense has been thoroughly debunked and you just arn't researching if you still believe that.

I disagree. Gentiles are graffed into the Jewish olive tree.
Let me know if you ever find a verse in the Bible about a Jewish olive tree.
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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Yes, and he is probably a propagandist of another kind, tricking Christians into thinking they are somehow Jews, maybe.


He was not writing about Christians.


Originally posted by jmdewey60

This sort of talk lends nothing to your credibility. All that nonsense has been thoroughly debunked and you just arn't researching if you still believe that.


Really? My info says that Hitler's DNA shows Jewish and African roots. Maybe you can post your research.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Really? My info says that Hitler's DNA shows Jewish and African roots. Maybe you can post your research.
You really think there is a DNA test for "Jewishness"? And who has this Hitler DNA to test in the first place?

Maybe you can post your research.
I pretty much go along with Veronica Clark, who has thoroughly researched Hitler and tears up people in debates over that question. Here is a video that could serve as an introduction to her if you had never heard of her before.

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