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2012, and why it is mental posion.

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:03 PM

Originally posted by crankyoldman
Drugs produced by big pharma put in children with made up illnesses = depressing.

I seriously hope you are not referring to Autism and the disorders that come with it, I live that every day of my life, so I know it's not made up. Mine were diagnosed before it was even a blip on the mainstream.

kids are killing themselves in droves over being gay but not one that I've heard of has killed themselves over the Nibiru myth.

I posted a link to one of many news stories about teens killing themselves over Nibiru and thinking they had nothing to live for as the world was ending. So please read it.. it's very sad. Also they are teaching this drivel to kids in school around these parts, my disabled 9 year old asked me what it was which is how i even heard about it to begin with.

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:10 PM
Sure, having people assume inevitable doom is never good.

But what about the effect of more people opening their minds to concepts that were more stigmatized a few years ago. Aliens being a good example.

How about the increase in interest for Mayan culture? More people reading the Bible, interested in prophecy, considering psychic phenomena...leading to alternative science study. An escape from monotony into a richer fantasy type thinking patter.

And how about a more optimistic view of human nature? Haven't we tended more to step up to challenge than pull the trigger to our temple?

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:16 PM
Problem = Pro-blem --> PRO BLAME

stop blaming others -- and stop blaming yourself...

.....and one will see for themselves how "problems" disappear.

Keep asking WHY....less externalizing of issues....but not to the point of internaLIZing -- LIZ / LIES

That girl who commited suicide didn't know much about her "Buddhist faith"...cuz if she did..she might have learned that PRIDE is the CAUSE of ALL SUFFERING according to Buddhism....

try these phrases to begin to self-terminate pride...rooted in something called Jante Law from Scandinavia...but improved. so it works...when you learn about Scandinavian people....and their successes relative to other countries.

I shall never feel special
I shall never feel important
I shall never feel smart
I shall never I can teach anyone
I shall never feel anyone cares about me
I shall never feel shame

Substitute I with YOU or WE to take out other forms of pride. Repeat and apply to your own life.....till know by heart. Mind will slowly change....

But...the global culture is pretty much the opposite of the above.....that'll be changing in due time...
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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:21 PM
reply to post by Xcalibur254

I dont base it all on the long count calendar, if new age came about in the last 50 years, then so be it, it doesnt change the fact still cultures and religion spoke of an end. To me that calendar was just the stop sign on the road, amongst other signs on the road.

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:38 PM
reply to post by rabzdguy

If you don't base it all on the Long Count then why do you think December 21, 2012 is important? The Long Count is the only source in antiquity that mentions this date. Even then though it is the not the end of anything other than the 13th baktun. We only have one reference to yet we have plenty of examples referencing dates after this. So please explain why you think 2012 is any different than every other year in human history.

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by Xcalibur254

I'm going to take the liberty of responding to that.

2012 is different because of increased speculation in the context of globalization and mass communication. It may or may not have mystical significance, but the idea that it might creates a unique dynamic. Leading up to the end of the year, the uncertainty based activity will probably surpass Y2K by a long shot.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the nature of the American psyche will lead to a lot of memorable rhetoric leading up to the election... and you can expect fanaticism to reach a new high. I'm interested, particularly, on how the demographic 18-25 handle this time period on college campuses. I'd imagine a lot of young people will be driven to extreme activism. I know I'm considering it, as a 21 year old, and the combination of so many hot topics reaching a boiling point will probably make the kettle whistle.

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:05 PM
Niburu and planet x aren't something I am interested in so I don't pay much attention to stuff I hear about them. I'm still trying to figure out what people are saying about reptilians. I'm not worried about reptilians up here in the UP, it's too cold for them.
I am worried about a collapse of our Economic system, if they were to at least try to fix it right instead of the patch and cover up routine I would be less skeptical. Then there is the lack of preparedness of our government for even a few big natural disasters like an extended drought or increasing severe weather. Their food reserves aren't big enough anymore and they are trusting businesses to take care of things. Sure there are still a few honest big businesses today but not enough of them to help much. The government will have to seize the greedy businesses to force them to help. This is allowable under the US laws so I am secure in my belief that the government will do it. The practices of the banks and stock market over the years has entered money that doesn't exist into the economy, it's not real. Very little of what we think is real is real.

I've never seen an alien or a UFO. I can't say they are real or not real. It is possible that there is a lot more to this reality than we are allowed to know. There can be unidentified beings running the show whom we are not aware of or could actually comprehend if we were made aware of them. I cannot discount things based on evidence that has been created with a motive attached to it's creation. I sort through a lot of evidence to find things that fit together but most times see that what is accepted as reality is somehow severely flawed.

This is no reason to fear anything. It is a reason to find a cure for the disease our nation has acquired. Our nation is in need of fixing, and it is critical to start immediately. The democrats and republicans can't fix this mess, most are taking contributions from the ones who created the mess. I am prepping for a crash of this countries monetary system and the turmoil that will result from it. I will get stronger not fear it. I will remain civil and push others to do the same and come together to act as one and work together at least on a local basis. People will hear the truth if it is the whole truth. 99 percent of what we are told is the truth has lies attached to it making it a lie. It's easy to hide deceit with numbers especially if you make or change the rules of the numbers. lies and deceit run most of this world.

I do not want anyone to fear this mess, fear makes people do what they shouldn't do. If you fear a spider you kill the spider and most times the spider is helping us by killing other insects that are worse. Spiders don't want our food, they want the bugs that eat our food. We do not have to start a big world war, we can work things out. We need to reduce mankind's populations without deceit. Many people will be dying because we made such a mess of things. We cannot be having our young committing suicide because they have a reason for being here, a future to steer hopefully in the right direction. We cannot have our young giving up because the last few generations made a mess of things. They need to learn that this can be fixed. Everything can be fixed if people want it to be fixed. Greed is a disease, so is desire for power that is stolen from others. Deceit is something that compounds easily and is never the answer, deceit can never really be the truth. We are a young race of beings and have to understand we are young. We have not yet acquired the ability to regulate ourselves. But we need a real leader, one who is honest and fair to show others the way.

This is a pipe dream but if we are ever going to get to the next level of humanity. things are going to have to change. If they don't, then start to worry. Our ancestors worked together as communities and still had freedoms, we just let deceit run things for a while. That didn't work so it's time to fix it.

Is there evidence that the United states economy can fail? Greece is a lot older than the USA and it failed. How many countries have changed leadership in the last five years? Too many. How many economies are at risk? Too many. Everyone needs to fix things in their countries, not just us.
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posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:04 AM
reply to post by vkey08

What part of this REALLY bothers you ?? Alot of people find excuses for all sorts of behaviour...but i find these kind amusing, as nothing about it has any substance.

Since you shovel your kids full of lies on a daily basis, and something like this comes around too threaten your "world view" so you get all uptight about it ??

I see people all over the place getting all uptight about something that "isn't going to happen, or things will just keep going the same way as they always have".

The facts are, that NOTHING goes on the way it ALWAYS HAS...things change, and a hell of alot of people are sick of the BS that is going on everywhere, and we can assume you are one of those parents that tries to shelter the kids from reality , while feeding them all kinds of other crap that ACTUALLY damages them.

Live a Fear-Based life all you never gets you anywhere, while the ones of us that are INTO the changes, and actually want to AFFECT the change that you are so dam afraid of, just get stronger and more deadset on this positive, yes POSITIVE change that we want too see.

Totally hilarious how many people make this planet struggle along in FEAR trying to tell everyone that it is good to lie and stay in the programmed BS they are in now.

Get with something REAL to complain about.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:06 AM
reply to post by vkey08

People just want to believe in something, anything that hints there's more to life then the hand they have been dealt. It's fantasy, escapism... a way to feel important when you're really not in the scope of things.

As for the kids, as an earlier commentator mentioned, communication and education. Today was the last day of camp for my child, the counselor said she really liked me, I cared and participated and asked about what my child was doing on a daily basis- not many parents do that she said. Now I'm no saint or super parent, just curious about who the people are around my kid, so I ask questions, I watch, I monitor. Surprisingly, this is rare according to this camp counselor (also a pre-school teacher I've known for 2 years).

Anyways, if I am the pinnacle of parenthood, then there are lots of really awful parents out there because I don't do much except ask questions and watch out for who's in her life (I love her too of course).

That said, the ones helping kids make sense of this nonsense must be the parents. But with two parents working, men acting like kids, adult problems piling up, I guess there's no time to be a parent for most.

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posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:42 AM
reply to post by apushforenlightment

Evolution of animals? Possibly genetic engineering, but evolution no>

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 01:15 AM

Originally posted by rick004
Actually the whole nibiru , planet x thing is confined to sites like ATS , whenever I bring up the topic at work or with friends and family they don't have a clue to what I'm talking about ?? The same applies to a lot of the topics discussed here .

You're right about that.
Nobody I know thinks this.

I have heard about one couple planning out a secret safe location. This couple was escaping the biblical revelations or something, fire and floods is all i heard, no mention of the nibiru theory, they are religious.

However I have heard this from a 5 year old child, so it is being passed around the school grounds to the very young. How sad. The child said we are all gonna die in 2012 anyways. I asked where she heard such nonsense and she said from other kids. So one wonders if parents are telling this to their children, who tell it to other kids who's parents would not want that fear instilled in them. That's what I don't like.
So it is an infection or poison.


posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 02:19 AM

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by miniatus

Exactly right ... the 2012 nonsense is harmful.. we saw what happened with the whole rapture thing as well, there were people who killed themselves as a result of Harold Campings predictions.. and many others who sold all of their worldly possessions prior to it NOT happening.

I kinda view that as a Darwin award.

If your willing to kill yourself based on what someone tells you, well, you don't deserve to be contributing to the gene pool.

Well this isn't entirely black and white; for example, a doctor tells you that you've contracted a terrible disease which will slowly kill you over a period of a few years, during which you will be in unbearable pain. Another example would be a person of higher expertise on a certain matter, such as a NASA scientist, telling you that there is an imminent ELE meteor headed toward earth. The Rapture thing, I agree, was retarded, but perhaps religious folk saw him as a man of greater expertise on the topic of religion.

Basically, if you have no way to personally verify the information being given, you tend to rely on the credibility of its source; if that source is credible, you are likely to believe it.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 02:59 AM
reply to post by vkey08

Sorry mate but I can't see 2012 returning to the 5th d as an end of the world scenario. To be honest us hardcore researchers are not on ats much. It's great the kids know its coming and they are awakening

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 03:28 AM
reply to post by GrinchNoMore

I hardly shelter my kids from reality, and to say I pump them full of lies, well you don't know me, we have an open and honest relationship, they bring concerns to me we talk them out plain and simple, they are not restricted from watching what they want to, if they have questions they are encouraged to ask.

In return they give me their outlooks on the world, and they have unique ones, and I try to encourage that uniqueness. They are both disabled, as such are unable to participate in some things, but they make up for it in other ways.

So please never assume that you know how I treat my children or what kind of parent I am..

But when I hear one of them coming home telling me a school staff member says the world is ending in December, I'm going to research it and I had their help as well. Honestly I hadn't paid attention to the 2012 forum on here until then, maybe you should read the forum sometime, read all the hoaxes up where people are predicting the end of humanity and then get back to me.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 04:35 AM

Originally posted by vkey08
So it's only fitting that people, with nothing else to believe in have clung to the Nibiru/PlanetX theory. But it's poison to us as a society, why?

Nibiru may be true. Why not wait and see?

1) Children are seeing this and because it's on the internet, think it's 100% fact, decide that life isn't worth living and they commit suicide. Some of these kids had everything to live for and even only started thinking about suicide after reading that PlanetX was gonna kill us all.

Funny how I have heard 0 stories about anyone killing themselves over Nibiru. And even if you can find a few, its not like young people are killing themselves left and right over it. More people probably off themselves over the depressing world we live in.

2) It diverts attention from more pressing matters, like the economy and the wars..

You mean the TV fear porn and propaganda, designed to make people support less and less freedom and liberty and more and more corruption and centralized control? Ok, I would say GOOD then.

Turn off the TV if you dont want poison.

Thats my 2 cents.

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posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 04:40 AM

Originally posted by dontneedaname
Problem = Pro-blem --> PRO BLAME

No. Stop drinking flourided tap water right now.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 06:09 AM

Originally posted by apushforenlightment

December 21, 2012 is in some circles though as a day when extreme change/evolution for the better will happen and people will literally change from being humans to become something more not being trapped anymore. Some belive god will finally stop playing hide and seek and send a signal to all like he do to some already giving them gnosis and grace/the bliss/the oneness (physicly opened crown chakra). This date is being pushed hard by people to become something special into the concious of man. Even if it is not a special date the constant bombardment of the date make it special. Hence my theory above that even if nothing happens people will make something happen or the days following the day.

We live in interesting times and synchronicity is appering all over the world with the 11:11 phenomenon and a lot of people seem to achive gnosis (understanding of what you truely are in relation to everything around you).

I am myself unsure what will happen but I look thru the things on youtube to see what the spiritual people/seeds are up to. I know better than to belive that because something have not happened before it will not happen in the future after my own experiances in my life. Reality is a really different thing to what we are told by conditioning in schools/religious views from my point of view.

I know exactly what will happen oround 21 dec 2012 :

At 6'o'clock the news (on 20th) will have an item about thousands of groups around the world all panicking about the impending end of the world. They will be interviewed and the media will cherry pick the wackiest views and conspiracists, here on ATS, will say that that is twisting the story (yet fail to realise the medias story IS about wacky groups DUH)

At 6'o'clock the news (on the 22nd) will have an item about the thousands of groups around the world who have started to panic about a new date because the 21st was a mistake and they have now worked out what the true date is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They might get lucky and have the same oddballs from the 20th to explain this. The pan back to the newsdesk will shows the newscasters with broad grins trying to hold back tears of laughter.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 07:20 AM
reply to post by PrimitiveWorld

If even one child or even one person commits suicide that's one person too many. I don't understand the callousness of people on this site. Is it because we're discussing this online and thus have a disconnect with reality or what?

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 07:33 AM
I think one of the silly events around the end date will be people thinking they have shifted to a higher frequency. It will be today's version of the emperor's new clothes. They will be walking around making buzzing noises until some child will point to them and say, "No way are you enlightened." Then the buzzing fool will sit down and realize the easy button was not pushed and they simply need to get on with life.

Will people die over 2012? Probably. Will the doomsayers accept responsibility for killing people? Doubt it. Should they? I believe so.

posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:01 AM

Originally posted by vkey08
Let me start by saying I believe in aliens, I believe in life beyond our own planet......

The irony is....there are no planets.

All a hoax.

There are stars, the earth, the sun, and the moon.

Go to the NASA web site and look at a "photo of saturn." fake as "moon walk" photos.

We are so deceived in this satanic world.

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