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US intends to chase Assange, cables show

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by miniatus
By law, Sweden cannot extradite someone to a country where they risk death... treason comes with a death penalty ... Sweden has already announced they cannot and would not extradite him to the US for that reason..


Black Ops operation, at an Airport in Stockholm Sweden, to "snatch" a man in broad daylight, with weapons drawn ... comes to mind.

Sweden doesn't abide by any laws ...


No weapons needed. A representative for an American TLA will just come there and escort him out of the country. Sweden will not pretend it ever happened. He just "disappeared" and they will pretend not to understand how. Sweden has done it many times in the past and it has been shown to be a successful formula.

Remember, the country is neutral. That means they don't want to upset anybody, so they will allow any other nation to do whatever they like in order not to upset them.




posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by onethatisrampant
Any wagers Ecuador gets a visit from some economic hitmen, an earthquake perhaps, some type of mere coincidence?

A coup...

Not likely. Not yet. Mrs Clinton hasn't paid Ecuador a visit yet. But one or two days after she has... just watch.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by miniatus
That has actually never stopped the US of A previously.

Actually it has.. Feel free to read through the Supreme Court rulings dealing with terror issues and whats in place.


Please quote correctly. The above was written by yours truly, not by miniatus. Indeed, the Supreme Court has ruled against certain actions on a number of occasions, but not on the majority of them.


Originally posted by miniatus
Then again, if not Gitmo, then there are many, many other installations that might be even more suitable for the purpose.
Incorrect... As much as I find it amusing when you guys substitute common sense with paranoia and falsehoods, its getting old.

Again, please quote correctly. The above was written by me (again). There are a number of known cases where people has been brought from certain countries (and yes, Sweden does actually come to mind) to TLA installations in other countries. TLA doesn't stand for the US military but for "Three Letter Agency". Poland is a nearby country that has one such known installation where people are regularly brought to be subject to "enhanced interrogation techniques". And that is not about saying "please" in an extra friendly manner.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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I don't think anyone has been put to death for espionage here since the Rosenbergs.Probably the worst case involved a navy family called the Walkers.They sold devasting naval Intel to the Russions for years and They weren't executed.Assange is not even American.They will try to lock him up but I wouldn't bet on a death sentence.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by moniker
Please quote correctly. The above was written by yours truly, not by miniatus. Indeed, the Supreme Court has ruled against certain actions on a number of occasions, but not on the majority of them.


My apologies.. It was an accidental carry over from a previous response by a different person.

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by moniker
Please quote correctly. The above was written by yours truly, not by miniatus. Indeed, the Supreme Court has ruled against certain actions on a number of occasions, but not on the majority of them.


My apologies.. It was an accidental carry over from a previous response by a different person.

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It happens. And I jumped the gun a bit too quickly too. My apologies.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by AgentX09
I don't think anyone has been put to death for espionage here since the Rosenbergs.Probably the worst case involved a navy family called the Walkers.They sold devasting naval Intel to the Russions for years and They weren't executed.Assange is not even American.They will try to lock him up but I wouldn't bet on a death sentence.


American's got constitutional rights in the USA. But foreigners ("aliens", although not in the Sci-Fi sense) don't.
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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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pretty sure the host nation in this case england gets to have a say on what diplomats are allowed into their country meaning they could just not approve of him being made a diplomat and png him at least thats how i think it works could be wrong but pretty sure the host nation gets atleast a say on approval of what diplomats come and go in their area



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by moniker
American's got constitutional rights in the USA. But foreigners ("aliens", although not in the Sci-Fi sense) doesn't.


Out of curiosity where are you getting that from?



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by moniker
American's got constitutional rights in the USA. But foreigners ("aliens", although not in the Sci-Fi sense) doesn't.


Out of curiosity where are you getting that from?


From reading the US constitution, and from being told it by the TSA whenever I travel to the USA and try to opt out from going through the "death ray" machines. Whatever that's worth.
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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by KilrathiLG
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pretty sure the host nation in this case england gets to have a say on what diplomats are allowed into their country meaning they could just not approve of him being made a diplomat and png him at least thats how i think it works could be wrong but pretty sure the host nation gets atleast a say on approval of what diplomats come and go in their area


The UK has no say in who a country appoints as a diplomat or not, however the UK may or may not accept that person as a diplomat to stay in their country. Thus, if Assange would be appointed as a diplomat for Ecuador, the UK would most likely not accept him as a diplomat to represent Ecuador in the UK, but he would still enjoy diplomatic rights and simply be asked to leave the UK. Unless, of course, the UK would find another legal loophole.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
The US wants Assange, there is no secret there..

However.. he simply CANNOT be extradited to the USA ... Sweden, by law, cannot send him to the US even if the US wants him.. which we all know they do ..

By law, Sweden cannot extradite someone to a country where they risk death... treason comes with a death penalty ... Sweden has already announced they cannot and would not extradite him to the US for that reason..

Sweden said they wouldn't/couldn't .. as recently as this week..

The ONLY way Assange could be extradited is if the USA guaranteed that Assange would not be given a death sentence.... in that case, it's possible..

But I look for Ecuador to make assange a citizen and then a diplomat, granting him immunity abroad.
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Given the choice between capital punishment, being incarcerated for life in a US prison or staying the rest of my days in a broom cupboard in the Ecuadorian Embassy I know what I would pick.

The US may guarantee to the Swedes, "We will not seek the death penalty," but does that suddenly make it right?

I see a rather simple solution to this from the point of view of the UK. Allow him to leave the embassy, board a plane to Switzerland and answer the questions asked of him. When completed, and presuming he is not required to remain in Switzerland he should be guaranteed safe passage to Ecuador.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by moniker
The UK has no say in who a country appoints as a diplomat or not, however the UK may or may not accept that person as a diplomat to stay in their country. Thus, if Assange would be appointed as a diplomat for Ecuador, the UK would most likely not accept him as a diplomat to represent Ecuador in the UK, but he would still enjoy diplomatic rights and simply be asked to leave the UK. Unless, of course, the UK would find another legal loophole.


Assange cannot be appointed as a diplomat. It requires both countries to agree, as you noted, however if the host country declines the appointment that person is not covered under diplomatic immunity.

Secondly it becomes more problematic because Assange is not a citizen of Ecquador. Becase of that there is an additional hoop they must jump through with regards to assanges nationality.

Out of curiosity do you think Assange is right to circumvent / violate the legal system?
Do you think the incident in sweden is linked to the us? (if so how).?

Because of extradition treaty we have with the UK it actually makes it easier for the US to extradite him from there than it would be from Sweden.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
The US wants Assange, there is no secret there..

However.. he simply CANNOT be extradited to the USA ... Sweden, by law, cannot send him to the US even if the US wants him.. which we all know they do ..

By law, Sweden cannot extradite someone to a country where they risk death... treason comes with a death penalty ... Sweden has already announced they cannot and would not extradite him to the US for that reason..

Sweden said they wouldn't/couldn't .. as recently as this week..

The ONLY way Assange could be extradited is if the USA guaranteed that Assange would not be given a death sentence.... in that case, it's possible..



But I look for Ecuador to make assange a citizen and then a diplomat, granting him immunity abroad.
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The USG is prob hoping for the same thing too. The guy is eccentric enough that if he goes missing ppl will think that's just Julian being Julian when in all reality he got black bagged and is in the basement of some US military complex in #nowswhere.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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I've got a feeling they're going to get Assange - one way or the other.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
I've got a feeling they're going to get Assange - one way or the other.


I sure hope so! I think it will be a hoot to see Ass-bags in jail, so he can get a taste of what real rape is like.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 01:17 AM
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Who else think the UK government are using infra-red/heat guns to detect and account for all the ppl in the building?



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 01:46 AM
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I'm sorry but since when was a foreign diplomats opinion evidence of the intention of another country?



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 03:22 AM
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What the West is saying with this situation is that it’s treason and traitorous to expose the truth on war crimes and corruption... I’d counter that argument and say that’s it’s treason and traitorous to cover it up. Unfortunately a lot of people genuinely think JA is a little sneaky rat exposing everyone’s dirty linen and deserves what he gets. How deluded.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by BlindBastards
What the West is saying with this situation is that it’s treason and traitorous to expose the truth on war crimes and corruption... I’d counter that argument and say that’s it’s treason and traitorous to cover it up. Unfortunately a lot of people genuinely think JA is a little sneaky rat exposing everyone’s dirty linen and deserves what he gets. How deluded.


So then its also traitorous and treasonous for Assange to avoid the accusations leveled at him in Sweden? So then its also traitorous and treasonous for Assange to break the law by refusing to be extradited to Sweden?

Or is wrong doing only restricted to just the US government?




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