reply to post by defrost
Of course it's no lie detector (nor is the so called "lie detector"), they are so called "Eye Accessing Cues". As with the "lie detector" you
need to get an individual baseline (Which you can kill quite easily.) and can derive discrepancies. A discrepancy is not a lie and can be caused by
stress etc. (So you need to count personality aspects into your calculations aswell, to not get a false positive.) Lieing isn't that easy to identify
(Just google the studies of Paul Ekman; "Who can catch a liar" for example.). Best is knowing a person (baseline), get a feeling for small differences
(bodylanguage, voice, coherence of story, eye accessing cues etc.) and - best way to check your assumptions - just mirror your perception and see how
the other one reacts.
This is why both the use of a lie detector and the opinions of so-called "behaviorists" are inadmissible in a court of law when deciding guilt or
Truth is a concept with no real definition.
I would even go so far as to say that truth is a verb and not a noun.
False being the noun.
The act of describing and deciding upon truth is a bit like gathering a group of people to decide upon the proper description and identity for the
Sure, we can all identify both truth and the color red ... but only during casual small talk.
We understand these concepts in relation to the absence of other specific
Much like the scientifically valid truth
that when we see the color red, we actually see the absence of every other wavelength in the light
spectrum other than what we call the color red.
Color is no where to be found in that concept.
Red isn't even a color. It's a freaking wavelength.
, it's a wave-icle, or, it's a parti-wave, depending on either your point of view or the device used for measurement)
People who actually believe that either a (current) technology like a lie detector or a vague and nebulous soft science like Psychology can accurately
identify truth, or better yet accurately identify something as enigmatic as a lie; these people are rather naive and watch way too much television.
Both concepts have been at the heart of an endless debate since Prometheus stole fire from the Gods and gave it to man.
Whether or not this guy is telling the truth or he is lying or the world is going to end or the world is not going to end...
It's all pointless drivel.
The majority of the thread has been a pissing contest to see who's the smartest, or who has the best intuition, or who can identify liars, or
Heck, I jumped in the game when I said that the guy in the second video doesn't look like the guy in the first video because of the shape of his ears.
If the object is truth, then one must ask the important question...
How does any of this information or debate directly effect my contributions to and experience of life at this moment in time?
These videos are not only fear porn, but together, they create fear porn and then mock it at the same time.
Maybe they were trying to wake up the world to a truth folks.
No matter which camp you belong, both videos had the same message.
One was based in fear, and the other humor.
Dark humor, but isn't all humor dark. It all comes at the expense of someone else, if it's funny.
True humor can only come at the expense of someone else, if it doesn't then it's not funny.
The person that laughs at humor that doesn't come at the expense of someone else also believes the girl that tells him it's her first time.
Live now people, because either this thing is real and we don't have much life left.
Or this thing called life is real, so have fun and do something with yourself.
Fear just a bad trip man.
Maybe it was just some stupid guy making up stupid videos in his basement and the discerning eyes of ATS were johnny on the spot when they called out
Or maybe you people are just not paying attention.
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