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reply posted on 18-8-2012 @ 04:44 PM by gambon
Originally posted by benrl
I loved that thread, people where coming out saying he was honest from his body movements and Eye movement etc.
Hopefully we learn to take these things with more skepticism.
I posted this.
Dr Sals warning
Ive done Loss Prevention work, one of the things we where taught to look for when interviewing someone was if when recalling details they look to the left or right. Right tends to be accessing memory, left creativity, left eye movements can indicate embellishing or out right lying. Thats one of the first things I noticed, on some stuff the man looks right, on others he looks left, when he starts talking about being employed by Nasa for special projects he looks left a lot.
Dude was lying, and could spot it from the start of the vid, yet everyone in the thread was trying to say he was legit.
This looking left or right when telling the truth or telling lies is not true ..in fact it has very recently been disprooved as psycho-nonsense by quite a few studies....
"
This idea has become so entrenched in conventional wisdom that it’s reportedly been used to train police conducting interrogations and can be found all over the web. But a new study by researchers in the United Kingdom and Canada, published yesterday in the journal PLoS ONE, indicates that there’s absolutely no evidence for it at all. ”It’s madness,” says Richard Wiseman, the lead author of the study. “You might as well just toss a coin, and if it comes up heads, you’re going up against a liar.”
blogs.smithsonianmag.com...
"A large number of people believe that certain eye movements indicate lying, and this idea is even taught in organisational training courses," said Watt, the journal Public Library of Science ONE reports.
"Our research doesn't support the idea and suggests that it is time to abandon this approach to detecting deceit," added Watt, according to an Edinburgh statement."
www.siasat.com...
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reply posted on 18-8-2012 @ 08:17 PM by defrost
Originally posted by gambon
Originally posted by benrl
I loved that thread, people where coming out saying he was honest from his body movements and Eye movement etc.
Hopefully we learn to take these things with more skepticism.
I posted this.
Dr Sals warning
Ive done Loss Prevention work, one of the things we where taught to look for when interviewing someone was if when recalling details they look to the left or right. Right tends to be accessing memory, left creativity, left eye movements can indicate embellishing or out right lying. Thats one of the first things I noticed, on some stuff the man looks right, on others he looks left, when he starts talking about being employed by Nasa for special projects he looks left a lot.
Dude was lying, and could spot it from the start of the vid, yet everyone in the thread was trying to say he was legit.
This looking left or right when telling the truth or telling lies is not true ..in fact it has very recently been disprooved as psycho-nonsense by quite a few studies....
"
Aside from the topic:
It is true that there is no linkage to lieing, but it can be used as an indicator (of discrepancy). Looking top left (from your own point of view) is recalling (visual) informations, top right is creating (visual) ones. Horizontal lines is auditive, while bottom left is "self-questioning" and bottom right is the emotional/kinestetic approach. Just go ahead, ask some people "Tell me about your last vacation.", "What did you eat for breakfast today?" or "How do you imagine "insert random future event here"?" and focus on their eye movement. (Or just check yourself from time to time. "Why the hell did I say that?", "Shall I buy the new car?" - the chances are high you look to the bottom left)
Of course it's no lie detector (nor is the so called "lie detector"), they are so called "Eye Accessing Cues". As with the "lie detector" you need to get an individual baseline (Which you can kill quite easily.) and can derive discrepancies. A discrepancy is not a lie and can be caused by stress etc. (So you need to count personality aspects into your calculations aswell, to not get a false positive.) Lieing isn't that easy to identify (Just google the studies of Paul Ekman; "Who can catch a liar" for example.). Best is knowing a person (baseline), get a feeling for small differences (bodylanguage, voice, coherence of story, eye accessing cues etc.) and - best way to check your assumptions - just mirror your perception and see how the other one reacts.
Concerning the second video I assume he's lieing (Haven't seen the first one.). Concerning his intentions. I don't think he wanted to entertain, doesn't sound faithfully to me. Just an attention-seeker imho. (His apology sounds insincere to me aswell.)
reply posted on 18-8-2012 @ 10:19 PM by kyviecaldges
reply to post by defrost
Correct.
This is why both the use of a lie detector and the opinions of so-called "behaviorists" are inadmissible in a court of law when deciding guilt or innocence.
Truth is a concept with no real definition.
I would even go so far as to say that truth is a verb and not a noun.
False being the noun.
The act of describing and deciding upon truth is a bit like gathering a group of people to decide upon the proper description and identity for the color red.
Sure, we can all identify both truth and the color red ... but only during casual small talk.
We understand these concepts in relation to the absence of other specific things.
Much like the scientifically valid truth that when we see the color red, we actually see the absence of every other wavelength in the light spectrum other than what we call the color red.
Color is no where to be found in that concept.
Red isn't even a color. It's a freaking wavelength.
(In truth, it's a wave-icle, or, it's a parti-wave, depending on either your point of view or the device used for measurement)
People who actually believe that either a (current) technology like a lie detector or a vague and nebulous soft science like Psychology can accurately identify truth, or better yet accurately identify something as enigmatic as a lie; these people are rather naive and watch way too much television.
Both concepts have been at the heart of an endless debate since Prometheus stole fire from the Gods and gave it to man.
Whether or not this guy is telling the truth or he is lying or the world is going to end or the world is not going to end...
It's all pointless drivel.
The majority of the thread has been a pissing contest to see who's the smartest, or who has the best intuition, or who can identify liars, or whatever.
Heck, I jumped in the game when I said that the guy in the second video doesn't look like the guy in the first video because of the shape of his ears.
If the object is truth, then one must ask the important question...
How does any of this information or debate directly effect my contributions to and experience of life at this moment in time?
These videos are not only fear porn, but together, they create fear porn and then mock it at the same time.
Maybe they were trying to wake up the world to a truth folks.
No matter which camp you belong, both videos had the same message.
One was based in fear, and the other humor.
Dark humor, but isn't all humor dark. It all comes at the expense of someone else, if it's funny.
True humor can only come at the expense of someone else, if it doesn't then it's not funny.
The person that laughs at humor that doesn't come at the expense of someone else also believes the girl that tells him it's her first time.
Maybe-
Live now people, because either this thing is real and we don't have much life left.
Or this thing called life is real, so have fun and do something with yourself.
Fear just a bad trip man.
Maybe it was just some stupid guy making up stupid videos in his basement and the discerning eyes of ATS were johnny on the spot when they called out this liar.
Or maybe you people are just not paying attention.
Of course it's no lie detector (nor is the so called "lie detector"), they are so called "Eye Accessing Cues". As with the "lie detector" you need to get an individual baseline (Which you can kill quite easily.) and can derive discrepancies. A discrepancy is not a lie and can be caused by stress etc. (So you need to count personality aspects into your calculations aswell, to not get a false positive.) Lieing isn't that easy to identify (Just google the studies of Paul Ekman; "Who can catch a liar" for example.). Best is knowing a person (baseline), get a feeling for small differences (bodylanguage, voice, coherence of story, eye accessing cues etc.) and - best way to check your assumptions - just mirror your perception and see how the other one reacts.
Correct.
This is why both the use of a lie detector and the opinions of so-called "behaviorists" are inadmissible in a court of law when deciding guilt or innocence.
Truth is a concept with no real definition.
I would even go so far as to say that truth is a verb and not a noun.
False being the noun.
The act of describing and deciding upon truth is a bit like gathering a group of people to decide upon the proper description and identity for the color red.
Sure, we can all identify both truth and the color red ... but only during casual small talk.
We understand these concepts in relation to the absence of other specific things.
Much like the scientifically valid truth that when we see the color red, we actually see the absence of every other wavelength in the light spectrum other than what we call the color red.
Color is no where to be found in that concept.
Red isn't even a color. It's a freaking wavelength.
(In truth, it's a wave-icle, or, it's a parti-wave, depending on either your point of view or the device used for measurement)
People who actually believe that either a (current) technology like a lie detector or a vague and nebulous soft science like Psychology can accurately identify truth, or better yet accurately identify something as enigmatic as a lie; these people are rather naive and watch way too much television.
Both concepts have been at the heart of an endless debate since Prometheus stole fire from the Gods and gave it to man.
Whether or not this guy is telling the truth or he is lying or the world is going to end or the world is not going to end...
It's all pointless drivel.
The majority of the thread has been a pissing contest to see who's the smartest, or who has the best intuition, or who can identify liars, or whatever.
Heck, I jumped in the game when I said that the guy in the second video doesn't look like the guy in the first video because of the shape of his ears.
If the object is truth, then one must ask the important question...
How does any of this information or debate directly effect my contributions to and experience of life at this moment in time?
These videos are not only fear porn, but together, they create fear porn and then mock it at the same time.
Maybe they were trying to wake up the world to a truth folks.
No matter which camp you belong, both videos had the same message.
One was based in fear, and the other humor.
Dark humor, but isn't all humor dark. It all comes at the expense of someone else, if it's funny.
True humor can only come at the expense of someone else, if it doesn't then it's not funny.
The person that laughs at humor that doesn't come at the expense of someone else also believes the girl that tells him it's her first time.
Maybe-
Live now people, because either this thing is real and we don't have much life left.
Or this thing called life is real, so have fun and do something with yourself.
Fear just a bad trip man.
Maybe it was just some stupid guy making up stupid videos in his basement and the discerning eyes of ATS were johnny on the spot when they called out this liar.
Or maybe you people are just not paying attention.
edit on 18/8/2012 by kyviecaldges because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 06:07 AM by gambon
Originally posted by defrost
Originally posted by gambon
Originally posted by benrl
I loved that thread, people where coming out saying he was honest from his body movements and Eye movement etc.
Hopefully we learn to take these things with more skepticism.
I posted this.
Dr Sals warning
Ive done Loss Prevention work, one of the things we where taught to look for when interviewing someone was if when recalling details they look to the left or right. Right tends to be accessing memory, left creativity, left eye movements can indicate embellishing or out right lying. Thats one of the first things I noticed, on some stuff the man looks right, on others he looks left, when he starts talking about being employed by Nasa for special projects he looks left a lot.
Dude was lying, and could spot it from the start of the vid, yet everyone in the thread was trying to say he was legit.
This looking left or right when telling the truth or telling lies is not true ..in fact it has very recently been disprooved as psycho-nonsense by quite a few studies....
"
Aside from the topic:
It is true that there is no linkage to lieing, but it can be used as an indicator (of discrepancy). Looking top left (from your own point of view) is recalling (visual) informations, top right is creating (visual) ones. Horizontal lines is auditive, while bottom left is "self-questioning" and bottom right is the emotional/kinestetic approach. Just go ahead, ask some people "Tell me about your last vacation.", "What did you eat for breakfast today?" or "How do you imagine "insert random future event here"?" and focus on their eye movement. (Or just check yourself from time to time. "Why the hell did I say that?", "Shall I buy the new car?" - the chances are high you look to the bottom left)
Of course it's no lie detector (nor is the so called "lie detector"), they are so called "Eye Accessing Cues". As with the "lie detector" you need to get an individual baseline (Which you can kill quite easily.) and can derive discrepancies. A discrepancy is not a lie and can be caused by stress etc. (So you need to count personality aspects into your calculations aswell, to not get a false positive.) Lieing isn't that easy to identify (Just google the studies of Paul Ekman; "Who can catch a liar" for example.). Best is knowing a person (baseline), get a feeling for small differences (bodylanguage, voice, coherence of story, eye accessing cues etc.) and - best way to check your assumptions - just mirror your perception and see how the other one reacts.
Concerning the second video I assume he's lieing (Haven't seen the first one.). Concerning his intentions. I don't think he wanted to entertain, doesn't sound faithfully to me. Just an attention-seeker imho. (His apology sounds insincere to me aswell.)
NO its all nonsense , isnt a grain of truth in any of the looking this way means this or that, it just like the olden days when left handed people where seen as suspicious (sinistre).It has just been mentioned so often tha people now think it true when it isnt....
reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 11:18 AM by IAmD1
Originally posted by ReAwakened
reply to post by zysin5
I would be convinced however, the ears are definitely different!
Do me a favor and compare the two vid's and pay close attention to the ears.
Dr Sal's are sort of bent and crooked, while the apologizer's ears are positioned straight along his head.
I hate to even see this controversy continue but, how did he pull that off?
Actually what is more how did he pull off ears that are at different height on the head? If you look at where the ear tip starts on both persons the original video (Dr. Sal) has his ear start below the corner of the eye and Mr Franks start somewhere between on the eyelid line. Actually much higher up that Dr Sal's. He could have made his ears stand out for the Dr. sal video but I would like to know how he lowered the ears on his head? Had Franks ears been smaller than Dr Sal then perhaps he could have used make up to do that but not the other way around. Also the nose is similar but not the same, but since franks nose ridge is slimmer he could have changed it for the Dr Sal video also. It also occurs to me that Dr sal's nose is slightly more upturned as we see alot of his nostrils most of the time where as Franks we barely see.
I just do not know but to be honest they do not look like the same person at closer inspection. Are they twins pulling off this media stunt? In any case very depressing and sad..... personally think we should look for other things to investigate.... mars images perhaps?
Oh and on a side note i showed the videos to my child who immediately said that's not the same guy without knowing anything about it lol (means nothing but still an observation)
edit on 19/8/2012 by IAmD1 because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 19-8-2012 @ 05:23 PM by facedye
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by facedye
An actor? Highly competitive profession? Viral marketing to get seen a bit and to lay claim to a meme. Up ones profile and maybe catch a director or producers eye? Maybe to generate a few bucks on the extra Youtube hits? ATS is increasingly media oriented and driven... not a bad environment to "throw out a resume'" so to speak.
My .02 cents
~Heff
ahh, Heff, while i do see that, and acknowledge that actors do this all the time, wouldn't you agree that he's old enough to realize when he is making a cheap attempt? it just boggles my brain. why do something that you know will make people unhappy, and will surely make some look at you with negative judgment? i mean.. now i just know him as the "ufo hoaxer guy." how is that great to put on a resume? i thought actors had to have good ideas! lol
either way, time will tell.
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