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Originally posted by rwfresh
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by cry93
I am multiracial. But I am African to the core.
no. No. NO!!!!
You are HUMAN to the core. To assign a label lower than this is to allow others to judge you according to that label, rather than forcing them to see you as 100% equal.
I'm tired of hearing about Black rights, women's rights, gay rights... It's all about HUMAN rights.
"To assign a label lower than this" - without me going over the top here.. i will just ask.. can you see the ignorance in this? Why not assume that he is expressing positivity rather than assume he has "lowered" himself because his label of HIMSELF is not up to your standard? I can truly understand how you might be tiring yourself with the ideologically policing you've assigned to yourself. Maybe you can just let it go and enjoy diversity however it's expressed. He's talking about himself. I don't see anything lower in it. I see the opposite.
There appears to be a growing ignorance among fools of the world who willingly hand their minds and lives over to the hidden "Church of Modern Science". These science cult members align themselves with vile ignorant beliefs about society, mankind and history. Their primary expression is one of hate and intolerance which is observable directly through their prideful propagation of their beliefs as "truth".
It is the church of Malthusian Darwinism. They wrongfully believe that somewhere along the line science was born as a fully mature world view with these two theories. Any suggestion that these certified theories are malleable or incomplete results in anger and violent behavior. The fruits of these particular cult members are truly evil as they stand only to dominate and destroy diversity and creativity, two cornerstones of inquisitive learning and real evolution.
They are no different then religious radicals. In fact they are identical in behavior and motive.
Their science is in fact a sect of modern religious belief that has little to do with Real Science. They oppose the REAL questions, while ardently holding onto observable phenomenon that they believe can ONLY be identified and communicated with their nomenclature. They despise investigation into anything they have no answer for. They detest hypotheses while only supporting the agreed upon conclusions delivered through bureaucratic peer "review" (ie: centralized agreed upon beliefs). Self investigation is their enemy. Questions are their enemy.
This science is not science. It is the birth of a modern Religion NAMED Science. And while all those who participate in it are not evil and do not fully believe or support the ignorance, it's central tenants are based on ignorance and evil.
You can identify these people by their hatred for questions they cannot answer and their vehement criticism to anyone who puts forth those questions. They exalt their priests into deity stature even while those priests encourage creativity and personal experience.
They believe their system is true. They have armed their belief system and are violently and shamefully attempting to demonstrate their domination and are willing to DIE for this because their active domination is the only way to prove natural selection. Their domination over all belief systems and ultimately people is their agenda. An agenda born of a hateful desire to be right at any cost.
It's modern eugenics. It's hitler.. It's nazism. It's hateful and it has already failed. That is the sad reality of this newest radical religion.
If you understand REAL science then support it. It is investigation into the most profound questions mankind will ever ponder. Support QUESTIONS and proof WHEREVER it might lead. Bureaucratic peer review belief system IS RELIGION. If you defend what does not stand in the face of Truth and Reality you will not evolve. You will not persist.
Science rooted in what most would call "Religion"
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by rwfresh
Your ignorance of the history of science is appalling. The scientific method, and its accompanying world view, evolved over millenia. Aristotle and the Plinys were making scientific observations and Aristarchus was measuring the size of the Earth while religious charlatans were making sacrifices to lifeless pieces of stone. If learning that all human beings, irrespective of size, gender or color are all composed of exactly similar molecules, and that these atoms were forged in the heart of distant Suns is evil, I shudder to think what you value as good.
Although I have known scientists who have said that they felt "raked over the coals" at a meeting, this is a figure of speech. Practitioners of religion have a long, well documented history of violence.
Science contents itself to ask the questions its methodology can answer. Religion does not. Science is an open ended process. It is always looking for a better answer, not the definitive one. Religion purports to be definitive, and condemns those who believe otherwise as "heretics"or "infidels."
Can you provide a specific example?
Many of the most esteemed scientists of all time have embraced philosophical questions. They simply don't confuse faith or wishful thinking with objective knowledge.
Could you provide an example of this irrational behavior, please?
Nazism was a religion that rejected modern science.
Sadly, the hatred that you have been spewing in this post suggests that you are as ignorant of true spirituality as you are of science. Let go of your delusions. Let go of your hatred. Let go of your ignorance. Stop labeling people and fearing what you do not understand. Open up. Breathe.
Originally posted by DeliriumAquarium
The key is to have an open mind and not to subscribe too heavily to any one belief system.
A healthy balance of science, religion, skepticism, and even faith is important in moving forward in a well-educated manner.edit on 16-8-2012 by DeliriumAquarium because: (no reason given)edit on 16-8-2012 by DeliriumAquarium because: and don't forget the arts!
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by rwfresh
Do they hold mass?
I'm more worried they don't have a mass, like a funky photon or something. A whole quasi-religious movement made-up of photons.
Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
I misunderstood your title - Science rooted in what most would call "Religion". You are going on the science is religion angle, while I was thinking that you meant the science is rooted in religion.
Many scientific ideas came from religious sources. The big bang, plate tech-tonics, and even evolution can be found in the Bible's first book. Other religions contributed to other ideas, eastern philosophy is contributing to western physics right now. I bet the number zero was inspired by Islamic beliefs, but I haven't checked up on that one yet.
Anyway, science is certainly a philosophy to most, and possibly a religion to many.
Originally posted by hp1229
What is religion?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by rwfresh
That's a pretty broad brush you're using. For being an experienced member of ATS, I'm surprised at you.
But I have a question for you: what "religion" would you hold us to? I think I know the answer, but I want to see it from your own hand.edit on 17-8-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by DJW001
He is just trying to repaint the Christian challenge that science and religion are the same thing and based on faith. He tried to make it sound like a spiritual post so you don't see intent.
But no matter how you word it, it is a really stupid point.