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Broken Arrow Businessman Says President Obama Can Kiss His...

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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Broken Arrow Businessman Says President Obama Can Kiss His...





A sign in Broken Arrow is raising some eyebrows. The sign is hanging next to Additive Systems, Inc. on Main Street in Broken Arrow. It says "'We' built this business without gov't. help. Obama can kiss our a**." It goes on to say, "I'm Bob Roggendorff and I approve this message."


www.ktul.com...

Wait for it:

Obama: I Don't Think Anyone Would Suggest I've Tried To Divide The Country




We're going around the country, talking about, ‘How do we put people back to work? How do we improve our schools? How do we make sure that we're producing American energy? How do we lower our debt in a responsible way?' And I don't think you or anybody who's been watching the campaign would say that in any way we have tried to divide the country. We've always tried to bring the country together," President Obama said in an interview with Entertainment Tonight.


realclearpolitics.com...

Really from those "Fat cats on Wall street, and the villification of the Right, Rich,Business and demagoguery for those who do not "share" his views of wealth redistrubtion. to name calling the GOP as "flat earthers" among many examples.

My name is neo and I approve this thread, I also approve Roggendorff's comment and support his constitutional right of free speech, and I add lot of posterior butt kissing in the last 3 years but most people call it pandering.

What say you?




posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Roggendorff did build a business without government help. But my thoughts on the whole Obama quote fiasco lately is that what Obama actually meant is that folks like Roggendorff didn't build their businesses alone. They had employees, and customers, and banks, and suppliers...

I hate quoting Hillary - and so I'll claim this particular phrase as my own and not hers... but it does take a village.

~Heff



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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I have seen the sign and seen the business. Turns out there is a road in front of it, that i assume they use. They didn't build that.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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He was talking about roads and bridges. What the hell is everyone talking about.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Rage from an out of context quote,
tells me it's more about the rage than the quote.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by theconspirator
He was talking about roads and bridges. What the hell is everyone talking about.


People only hear what the talking heads on the MSM tell them to.
edit on 16-8-2012 by benrl because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Well, Op.... I'd say Obama can safely save his money in Southern Missouri, most of Oklahoma and a good part of Kansas. This is a fine example of why he can save all that money....and all our time and ears from hearing the commercials.

Psst... Shhh.... people don't like him much around these parts... but don't let that get around now.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by theconspirator
He was talking about roads and bridges. What the hell is everyone talking about.


If that was the case, then his opinion is in opposition with that of Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the nation's founding fathers.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Source

Obama is just as wrong to suggest that the People are dependent upon the government for their successes as he was/is to suggest that the people are dependent upon the government for the tools used to reach said successes. Either way, he spoke loud and clear in that speech and what he said, regardless of which direction it gets spun in, is garbage.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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what does that have to do with anything?



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Obama is just as wrong to suggest that the People are dependent upon the government for their successes


Right, its not like if the US was say a government like NK companies and free enterprise wouldn't thrive.

To deny the interconnectedness of free enterprise and the infrastructure and support that the Federal and States government provide is just foolish.

Im not voting for Obama, didn't the first time, and I can see the fallacy of the media in the way they report.

This ever endless hunt for the "gaff" that the media has leads to the worst kind of ignorance and misinformed populous.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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The business owner pays property taxes,and employs people who pay for property taxes that allow other people in the community that pay property taxes that all pay for those roads,bridges etc.

Government as in Federal Government didn't do squat the local "community" did but it takes someone who take the risk to open a business,take risk to hire people who may or may not be worth that check they get from that business owner.

So if some people can not fathom that simplicity tthen so be it.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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If you built a business. You didnt build the roads and bridges leading to that business of yours. The government built it, with taxpayers money. So every person who ever paid taxes, helped you in some way to make your business. Everything in the country is interdependant on other people.

I dont like Obama, but Im not gonna talk trash about something that is made up and out of context. He has done plenty of real crap to be mad about.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Obama is just as wrong to suggest that the People are dependent upon the government for their successes as he was/is to suggest that the people are dependent upon the government for the tools used to reach said successes.

Either way, he spoke loud and clear in that speech and what he said, regardless of which direction it gets spun in, is garbage.


Maybe you should actually read what he said? Cuz you still seem confused?



If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

www.whitehouse.gov...

Now that we have straightened that out...


Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Obama is just as wrong to suggest that the People are dependent upon the government for their successes as he was/is to suggest that the people are dependent upon the government for the tools used to reach said successes.



Maybe you should consider opening a Chic-Fil-A in Iran, Afghanistan or Somalia and tell me how that works out.

Not just roads, police, fire protection, technology, infrastructure, but also trade deals etc. etc. etc.....and even bailouts given ironically to the same folks financing the "let's pretend we can't read" propaganda behind this BS.

And he was not talking just about government...teachers, employees, loyal customers....

It was a discussion about how Americans take appropriate pride in thier individualism...and how that sense of individualism can be molested and exploited for a political/policy agenda.

We are both individuals and a family.
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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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EVERYBODY uses the roads, schools, hospitals, etc. To single out business owners as the sole beneficiaries of such infrastructure is nonsense. Crack addicts use the infrastructure to obtain their drugs....does that mean the government helped them do it? Thieves use the infrastructure to help them steal things.....does that mean the government helped them do it? Rapists use the infrastructure to help them commit their crimes.... does that mean the government helped them do it? Child molesters use the infrastructure to help them get to their victims... does that mean the government helped them do it.

If the presence of all this gorgeous helpful infrastructure is what produces successful, money making businesses, then how come we are not all owners of such a successful business?



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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You need to understand that the government is some non human entity that reigns supreme. It is made up of people who pay taxes. So not only did non government workers help to build that road in front of your store, but do did government workers. Military pays taxes. Congressmen pay taxes. The president pays taxes. The plumber down the road pays taxes. Your kids teacher pays taxes.
Each and every one of us, including people in government has a small hand in what every other person accomplishes. That is how civilization works. You are not a lone wolf doing everything by yourself.

And if you want to get into it, the government has a bigger hand in your roads and bridges then any other person. Not only did they pays taxes themselves, but they cooridinated what needs to be built where. What needs to be fixed or maintained where. What needs to be upgraded where. All nongovernmental citizens did was pay their fair share. I hate the government as much as the next ATS member, but give them credit where credit is due. They helped you become a success just like any other tax payer in this country.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
I have seen the sign and seen the business. Turns out there is a road in front of it, that i assume they use. They didn't build that.


I think we can equally say that the taxes from Roggendorff's business, and businesses like it, paid for those roads. Without the revenue from taxes, there would be none.

Look no man is an island, however Obama's doctrine is slanted toward socialism. Why doesn't he just come out and say it? Then at least we'll have a clear picture of where he wants to take this nation and can exercise our vote in an informed vote manner. Or is that too risky for him? Which then begs another question.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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He began his rumblings by talking about " all the people who want to give back..." then sidetracked into his rationale for why everyone should want to give back and why they owe it. My argument, put as basically as can be is: They did give back by being successfully and paying taxes. They have no less claim to OWNERSHIP of the nation's infrastructure than any other tax paying American does. That infrastructure? That's not the government's infrastructure, that's OUR infrastructure built with our taxes.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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That tripe being perpetuated by OBama and his supporters seem to leave out the fact that the majority of roads, and bridges in this country were built long before there ever was a US of A government and before States ever became states.

Meh.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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oh man what the hell are you talking about lmao!



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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I question this assertion greatly. This tends to dispute the claim. And without interstate commerce - local commerce wouldn't achieve nearly as much as it can today. There'd still be only a handful of Starbucks if there were no highways.

~Heff



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