IRANIUM: Full Movie

A timely and powerful documentary presenting the danger posed to the free world by a nuclear Iran. The film exposes the radical Islamic ideology guiding Iran's leaders, and the destruction it causes.

www.iraniumthemovie.com...

Copyright © 2012 Clarion Fund. All rights reserved.

I know the synopsis comes off as Anti-Iranian, but as I watched the whole movie.. I don't believe that's the case.
I didn't find it came off as particularly biased in anyway, just the history of the Shah and the Ayatollah and how things have unravel in their pursuit for Nuclear Energy.

Clarion Fund is a pro-Israel New York City-based nonprofit organization[1] founded in 2006 whose stated mission is "to educate Americans about issues of national security," with its main focus on what it calls "the most urgent threat of radical Islam."[2] The organization was founded by Canadian-Israeli[3] film producer Raphael Shore.[4]

Wikipedia

Always do a quick check on who funded the documentary before you watch.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Watched this ages ago when it was first released

Originally posted by Trolloks
Always do a quick check on who funded the documentary before you watch.

As long as it contains actual history and factual information, I don't care if Jerry Seinfeld funded it... directed it and did the voiceover work.. People should always be in the habit of fact checking, regardless..

I know about about the history of Iran to know that they don't need to be playing with nukes..

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And there you have it folks.

A anti-iranian documentary made by a Pro Israeli group?

Sorry, I'm not biting.

~Tenth

A little info on this Clario Group.

Clarion Fund is a pro-Israel New York City-based nonprofit organization[1] founded in 2006 whose stated mission is "to educate Americans about issues of national security," with its main focus on what it calls "the most urgent threat of radical Islam."[2] The organization was founded by Canadian-Israeli[3] film producer Raphael Shore.[4]

The Clarion Fund has collaborated with the pro-Israeli media watch organization HonestReporting in the production of its films. The Clarion Fund has also collaborated or had their films shown at venues such as the Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, Library and Archives Canada, and Fox News Channel.[5]

The group has been involved in the production or distribution of documentaries such as Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West, The Third Jihad, and Iranium.

Clarion Fund has been criticized for its close ties to Aish Hatorah, a Jewish educational organization. According to Clarion Fund's incorporation papers, it is based at the same address as Aish Hatorah, a religious organization.[7]

According to the International Relations Center, Eli Clifton said that the Clarion fund was attempting to “stir up a climate of fear in the United States.”[11]

Wikipedia

So this grup who makes films based solely on attacking Islam and fear mongering the population, makes another one about nuclear Iran..and we aren't gonna take that with a grain of salt?

One of their "educational" websites"

~Tenth

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Its propaganda, look who's on the board;

In December 2010, the organization announced an advisory board including: Frank J. Gaffney, Jr., Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, and President of the Center for Security Policy Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, President and Founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy Daniel Pipes, Director of the Middle East Forum and founder of Campus Watch Dr. Harold Rhode, Former Foreign Affairs Specialist at the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment and Senior Advisor at the Hudson Institute

Hudson Institue;

The Hudson Institute is an American conservative[2][3] not for profit think tank founded in 1961, in Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist, and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND Corporation. The Institute is committed to innovative research and analysis that promotes ‘global security, prosperity and freedom’[4]. It promotes public policy change in accordance with its stated values of a "commitment to free markets and individual responsibility, confidence in the power of technology to assist progress, respect for the importance of culture and religion in human affairs, and determination to preserve America's national security."[5]

Campus Watch;

Campus Watch is a web-based project of the Middle East Forum, a think tank with its headquarters in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. According to its website, Campus Watch "reviews and critiques Middle East studies in North America with an aim to improving them."[1] Critics of Campus Watch say that it is a pro-Israel lobbyist organization involved in harassing, blacklisting, or intimidating scholars critical of Israel.[2][3][4] Campus Watch was launched in 2002 by Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes. It is headed by Winfield Myers.[5]

Center for Security:Current Projects;

The CSP's operations are organized into project areas that correspond to what it sees as the principal national security challenges facing the United States. Each project is designed to inform policymakers and the public about what the CSP sees as near and long range threats, devise appropriate actions, and then promote those ideas within the government, Capitol Hill, newspapers, radio, the internet, and television. The following is a partial list of the CSP's projects: Divest Terror - The primary objective of Divest Terror is to force governments to choose between their sponsorship of terrorism and critical partnerships with publicly traded firms. To achieve this goal, it aims at encouraging companies to divest from those regimes designated by the State Department as state sponsors of terrorism. The Strategic Defense and Deterrence Project - Through this project, the Center advocates the creation of a national missile defense system, the modernization of America's nuclear capabilities, and the abrogation of U.S. participation in arms control treaties. The War of Ideas Project - The War of Ideas project has the goal of educating policymakers about the political and ideological realms of international relations. It seeks to equip decision makers with the understanding they need to use the tools of influence of and persuasion to confront and defeat foreign ideological adversaries. Menges Hemispheric Security Project - The Hemispheric Security project focuses on threats to the Western Hemisphere. The Islamist Project - The Islamist Project is aimed at publicising what CSP sees as the growing influence of radical Islam within the United States, and highlighting the voices of moderate, non-violent Muslims. The Security and Democracy in Asia Project - This project is a reflection of the Center's belief that Asia has the potential to be an area of substantial geostrategic conflict in the 21st Century.

All from Wikipedia

Also here's a great article regarding Clario Fund and it's backers.

rightweb.irc-online.org...

The Clarion Fund is a nonprofit organization linked to U.S. and Israeli right-wing groups that produces and distributes alarmist films aimed at alerting “Americans about the threat of Radical Islam.” The group claims to achieve its mission by conveying the “reality of radical Islam” in documentary films it produces and distributes, as well as through outreach efforts on the Internet and on college campuses.[1]

Clarion was founded in 2006 by Raphael Shore, a conservative Israeli rabbi. Clarion’s advisory board has included a number of neoconservatives and other militarist policy advocates, including Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy; Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum; Ilan Sharon of Minnesotans against Terrorism; Zuhdi Jasser, founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD) and narrator of the Clarion Fund’s Third Jihad documentary; Clare Lopez, executive director of the Iran Policy Committee; Harold Rhode, a former staffer under Douglas Feith in the Donald Rumsfeld Pentagon who serves as an adviser to the Hudson Institute; and Sarah Stern, president of the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), which has assisted in the distribution of Clarion films.[2]

Sorry guys, but this is propaganda, funded by groups who have a vested interest in conflict with Iran.

~Tenth

This is very sly and disgusting propaganda.

Its trying to portray that Irans hate of USA is completely unrational

Interesting background info tothetenth, trolloks and everyone - thanks.

But while looking at this thread, I see this:



Ummm...words....fail me...

Or, we could surmise, 'you're either with us or..."

This darn fence is getting REALLY uncomfortable.

Nuetral is not an option - divide and conquer indeed.

WARNING!!! This is extreme propaganda WARNING!!!

watch at 13:47

"We know from the 911 commission report that, Iran provided substantial material support, to the high jackers who would launch the 911 attacks in the United States "

WTF is this ???? there is no mention or blame put on Iran anywhere in the 911 commission (only loose speculation) !?!?!


This is propaganda at its fullest, its trying to rewrite history.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Watched this ages ago when it was first released

Define ages ago, since it was just released in 2012.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Of course you wont.

Documentaries that satisfy your political palette are "unity" - by some swedish dude.....You like that stuff, I'm sure.

I cannot understand how a moderator could be so mind numbingly prejudiced. What miniatus wrote - that everyone should be in the habit of fact checking - is incontrovertibly true.

People who prejudge and take the tone you take - either have a wily political agenda that can't be upset by factoids like Iran being led by a Islamist Shi'ite government, and therefore, should NEVER in a million freaking years be granted the right given to real democratic countries in making use of nuclear energy. This is common freaking sense. So why don't people like you get it?? Why do you mindlessly ignore such facts as these?? Do you not see how that provokes suspicion?

Israel is threatened by this radical government. Just today Ahmadinejad invited Israel to attack Iran -to give Iran the pretext to destroy it. NO COUNTRY that spews such ridiculous bellicose rhetoric has peaceful intentions with nuclear energy - not when they are so straightforward, despite the pressure upon them, in their disdain for the Jewish state.

It is frightening. I literally think people like you would like to see Israel blown to smithereens. If not, answer that question. Why do you ignore the religious-theocratic foundations of their government? The fact that everything is regulated by the Guardian council - which regulates politics in this so-called "parliamentarian democracy", ratifying who can and who cannot run for political offices - should be more than enough proof that religion is the final authority in Iranian policies.

That's it. That is it, and the end of it. Any rational person who doesn't get this - is either not rational, and therefore dangerous, or complicit with the prospect of Israel's destruction - which is sick, twisted, sadistic, and so incredibly unjust.

reply to post by dontreally

Of course you wont.

Documentaries that satisfy your political palette are "unity" - by some swedish dude.....You like that stuff, I'm sure.

I cannot understand how a moderator could be so mind numbingly prejudiced. What miniatus wrote - that everyone should be in the habit of fact checking - is incontrovertibly true.

Firstly, my status as a moderator has nothing to do with my opinions on any given topic.

Secondly, I am not prejudiced against information concerning Iran, I am prejudice to propaganda films.

Films that are made by groups that have a vested interest in seeing conflict within Iran, or have a morality/religious motivation.

People who prejudge and take the tone you take - either have a wily political agenda that can't be upset by factoids like Iran being led by a Islamist Shi'ite government, and therefore, should NEVER in a million freaking years be granted the right given to real democratic countries in making use of nuclear energy. This is common freaking sense. So why don't people like you get it?? Why do you mindlessly ignore such facts as these?? Do you not see how that provokes suspicion?

You assume I lack the knowledge or the intelligence to identify propaganda and biased documentaries.

Furthermore, I've never argued that Iran is somehow run by some democratically elected, wonderful to it's people government. It certainly isn't. I wonder why the rest of the world has no interest in other dictators who have been in place and caused FAR more hurt than Iran.

I do laugh at those who think they have the moral authority to tell another nation what kinds of technological development they wish to pursue. If some other nation placed Sanctions on the United States for violating human rights laws for example, that would be considered a declaration of war.

But we don't acknowledge the atrocities our own governments create in the world, only to turn around a ride in like a white knight to save the day. Manufactured conflicts are far too common for me to just take anything at face value anymore.

Israel is threatened by this radical government. Just today Ahmadinejad invited Israel to attack Iran -to give Iran the pretext to destroy it. NO COUNTRY that spews such ridiculous bellicose rhetoric has peaceful intentions with nuclear energy - not when they are so straightforward, despite the pressure upon them, in their disdain for the Jewish state.

Israel owns and operates an open aired prison, which has humans in it that are treated like chattel. Please link one instance where leaders in Iran have specifically stated Jewish as opposed to Zionist.

There is a very big difference. And please explain the fact that a relatively large population of Jews reside in Iran and are treated as any other Iranian citizen.

It is frightening. I literally think people like you would like to see Israel blown to smithereens. If not, answer that question. Why do you ignore the religious-theocratic foundations of their government? The fact that everything is regulated by the Guardian council - which regulates politics in this so-called "parliamentarian democracy", ratifying who can and who cannot run for political offices - should be more than enough proof that religion is the final authority in Iranian policies.

You can blame the CIA among other proxy groups it created for the Geo-political landscape of the Middle East. Including Iran. They are the ones who placed these dictators at the helm of nations. I wish to see no nation destroyed, pleases don't pull the antisemitism card.

That's it. That is it, and the end of it. Any rational person who doesn't get this - is either not rational, and therefore dangerous, or complicit with the prospect of Israel's destruction - which is sick, twisted, sadistic, and so incredibly unjust.

So either I am against Iran, or I'm crazy and want the destruction of Israel? You must be kidding? There is no middle ground? There is only the two extremes?

Between people like me, who believe that you can't create a powder keg and then be indignant when it comes to your shores, and people like you, who think it's OK to play god with people's lives, manufacture conflicts, support dictators etc..

I wonder who is the most 'frightening'.

~Tenth

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Secondly, I am not prejudiced against information concerning Iran, I am prejudice to propaganda films.

ALL FILMS are propaganda films. Do you respond this way to documentaries which broach an ideology you subscribe to? It doesn't matter. You watch, and as miniatus wrote, you check the claims they make. That's how one arrives at as an objective a conclusion as one possibly can. Only objective facts deserve our interest.

Films that are made by groups that have a vested interest in seeing conflict within Iran, or have a morality/religious motivation.

So you assume, from the very beginning, that any desire towards confronting Iran - which means military confrontation - is automatically unacceptable?? Why?

Such an decision should be predicated on an analysis of the party regarded as being unable to make responsible use of nuclear energy, should it not? And shouldn't the most fundamental issue be, Iran's government? It's culture? And first and foremost, it's religious beliefs and metaphysical outlook?

It seems once Shi'ite Islam is turned upon, all your thinking turns off. Something in you either ticks "this discredits my entire argument" - and your egoistic investiture in this belief is too great for you to overcome; it's this, or you have a nefarious political agenda. This is the only sound reasoning for not recognizing the massive significance of religion in Iran's domestic and foreign policies.

Religion IS a major determinant in it's policy with Israel. Shi'ite Islam talks of the coming of the 12th and final Imam - Mahdi. This is a central, indisputable tenet of the religious philosophy of the government of Iran. These are some of the endtime portents predicted by the Hadith

According to Moojan Momen, among the most commonly reported signs that presage the advent of the Mahdi in Shia Islam are the following:

The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi

Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world's population. The red death signifies violence and the white death is plague. One third of the world's population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death.

Several figures will appear: the one-eyed Antichrist (Masih ad-Dajjal), the Al-Harth, Al-Mansur, Shuaib bin Saleh and the Sufyani.

There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.

Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.
Link

1) Today many pious Muslims accuse practicing Muslims with not holding to the letter of the law. How many Islamic sects exist? How much internecine fighting? This first credential is seen to be already existing.

2) So before his coming, the world must descend into a state of massive chaos, killing 2/3rds of the earths population. The red death could mean war, and the white death, pestilence.

3) This is a condition that can be "met" - or discovered in some extant political figure - whenever the state of chaos is induced.

4) Wow. Syria is indeed in a 'state' of chaos at the current time. Does this bode well for Israel? Should Israel simply 'ignore' this religious tenet being met in political reality, as if it didn't mean something significant to the people who believe in this eschatological belief? No! A thousand times no. I'm not debating whether a 'mystical process' or something is occurring. That's irrelevant. The facts are: they are a THEOCRATIC GOVERNMENT ruled by a secret council called the Guardian Council, which:

... is an appointed and constitutionally-mandated 12-member council that wields considerable power and influence in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

It has been criticized for being:

The Council favors military candidates at the expense of reform candidates. This ensures that the ideological Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (separate from the Iranian army) holds a commanding influence over the political, economic, and cultural life of Iran.[11] Link

Arbitrarily disqualifies candidates from elections

This unelected Council frequently vetoes bills passed by the popularly-elected legislature.[32] It repeatedly vetoes bills in favor of women’s rights, electoral reform, the prohibition of torture and ratification of international human rights treaties.[31]

Link for all 3

This essentially proves to any sane person that Iran is undemocratic, despite it's outward 'democratic' appearance, it only allows certain types of candidates - ones which push the Islamist message, and adhere to the Islamist message - disqualifies those who call for reformations in areas of womans rights, gay rights, electoral reform, and most importantly, gives them full control of the state apparatus: the economy, the military and the media.

Iran repeatedly calls for Israels destruction. Just today, for example:

TEHRAN: A senior Iranian commander said a possible Israeli airstrike against his country's nuclear facilities is "welcome" because it would give Tehran a reason to retaliate and "get rid of" the Jewish state "forever".

Hizbollah also separately warned Israel of a catastrophic strike if Iran is attacked.

The remarks by General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the Revolutionary Guard's air force, were reported by the official IRNA news agency.

Hajizadeh said in the event of an Israeli strike, Iran's response would be "swift, decisive and destructive".

Gulf Daily News

They said this August 19th 2012. Everyday they spew something along these lines.

Ok?? Must this not determine Iran's position vis-a-vis Israel? Does this not belie the claim that Irans nuclear program doesn't post an existential threat to Israel?

It is an existential threat. Destroying Israel, or transferring a nuke to a group like Hezbollah for detonation in Israel, is a threat to Israel's existence. Only the level of threat should determine the course of action. Israel has tested diplomacy, but Iran has resisted to halt it's nuclear program. Since the threat is so great - a nuclear bomb - and the information of their religious ideology, it's historical rhetoric against Israel, and it's current pursuit of becoming a nuclear power - all contribute to a position of certainty with regard to the course of action to be taken: to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Will it stop them? Israel is beyond that question. It cannot worry about the consequences beyond the known dictum that Iran with a bomb means the potential threat of a nuclear holocaust against the Jewish state. This cannot happen, so, Israel is in a difficult catch 22 situation. Do nothing, risk complete destruction in the most horrendous way known to man, or do whatever is in your power to stifle Iran's ability to build and deploy a nuclear bomb. The consequences of the latter are less than the catastrophic event of the former. Therefore, Israel has no choice but to attack. To do less is negligent and immoral.

I wonder why the rest of the world has no interest in other dictators who have been in place and caused FAR more hurt than Iran

I want to know why the UN humans right council spends a prodigious amount of more time criticizing and reprimanding Israel then with addressing much more imminent humans right issues in China, Sudan, Myanmar, North Korea, Syria, Uganda etc.

So either I am against Iran, or I'm crazy and want the destruction of Israel?

I don't know you, personally, so obviously I cannot pronounce upon your intentions. But, nonetheless, there has been a historical antipathy against the Jews that spans thousands of years, and the issue remains essentially the same: a difference in philosophical approach to meaning - existence, and how one should or may live.

This is the deepest of issues. How do I know you don't know of such a disparity between the Jewish ethic, and it's philosophical doctrine with regard to deity, and the rest of mankind, which agree in most respects with the universal Absolute essence of things i.e the Godhead should be the only factor in human spirituality.

The former prescribes a defined law for living, the 10 commandments for themselves, and 7 commandments for mankind (Hugo Grotius studied the Talmud and other Hebraic writers - such as John Seldon - and partly based his work on international law on it), while the latter adjudicates on secular matters by the law of the state, and purveys a philosophy and morality of relativism and beauty i.e. art as the pursuit of beauty.

They are irreconcilable, immutably opposite foes. In my opinion, I think both worlds could if they want to, coexist, but the ones in power - the european elect of our world, in league with the Eastern world - Islam - don't think so. They think the idea of the Jew - the Jewish state - is the same as it's God, and it's moral ethic. The world is shedding itself of the Judaic morality - and garbing itself in the robes of a spiritual relativism, in tolerating all ways and manners of living, all ethics that doesn't immediately impinge on the personal rights of others, and promoting the complete annihilation of cultural differences - which are symbols in cultural terms of the same metaphysical flux of "towards differentiation" - which is what Judaism is rooted in; which means, relativzing morality- breaking down traditional moral boundaries, which includes blurring differences between sexes, between groups of people, and in geopolitical terms, it means destroying the cultivators of differences, nation states. Hence, world government is the end goal of these elites. Eliminating the 'archetype' or God of the opposite tendency towards Absolutism, is paralleled in human reality with the dramatic destruction of the Jewish people - as occurred in 1940-45 in the holocaust - and today, in it's finale, in fulfillment - or mockery of - biblical predictions "the nations against Israel".

Even if my speculations with regard to a European 'gnostic' conspiracy against the Jews - hence traditional treatment of Jews by Christians i.e. being forced to live in ghettos, where patches to indicate they are Jews etc - is wrong, which I allow some possibility for, my suspicions and the evidence against trusting Iran is secure in its logic.

reply to post by dontreally


Although there is some truth to what you say - no doubts about it - however I do not believe Iran's nuclear program is an immediate threat to Israel.

I'm not sticking up for Iran's Govt but so much has been taken out of context and twisted to suit the masses and even I don't fall for alot of it. It's juts all psycological warfare - possibly on both sides but definately on ours.

reply to post by miniatus

I know about about the history of Iran to know that they don't need to be playing with nukes..

If I ever seen a nonsensical phrase. If you know the history of Iran you would understand why they would be after the nuclear deterrent. In any case there is still no evidence that they are going after nuclear weapons (only the capability to produce them). Because I can make fire I'm not an incendiary, I agree than the situation is not great but the ball was stated by permitting Israel to have nukes (or if you will the capability to produce them)...

reply to post by dontreally

And first and foremost, it's religious beliefs and metaphysical outlook?

We could also put this same argument toward Israel. How is it so wrong for those who call an end to Israel and yet fine for those that call for the end of Iran? There are so many hypocrites on this site it's not funny.

Iran is not perfect, but they have every right to pursue nuclear energy and to even develop nuclear arms. And before you start, I'm not hating on Jews!

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I believe Iran IS bent on building nuclear weaponry however even if they did have 2 or 3 nuclear weapons I still do not believe Iran is an immediate or near future threat to Israel. Iran is not stupid. By saying that, I think the reason why Israel wants Iran taken out is because Iran DOES supply terrorist groups like Hizbollah and Hamas most of their weaponry. Just those two groups alone are a threat to Israel 24/7.

Originally posted by miniatus

I know about about the history of Iran to know that they don't need to be playing with nukes..

And the history of the United States being the country that actually used nukes?

Why should they still have these kinds of weapons?