Calling All Veteran Service Members Of ATS., page 1

I'm sure most of you have either read Seabags thread.www.abovetopsecret.com...

I, as a veteran like many of you, am very angry about this. The increasing presure to see us as terrorists is sickening. We are being vilified by the government of the people we once swore to serve. I for one feel like I have been kicked in the nuts by my own country. It is very easy to see where this is going. I can already see changes in how people in public act around me if they find out I am a veteran. I have applied for many jobs that I am perfectly qualified for but have yet to find employment. I can only wonder now if my veteran status is the reason?

I am calling on you all today to help me start a solution. What can we do to keep the american public from being brainwashed into this type of thinking.? I know I will be writing many letters to my represenatives about this and I challenge each and every one of you to do the same. I will also be writing to my local papers as well in an effort to spread truth, not propagandized fiction aimed at dismantling our status within our society. What can we as ATS members do to publicly appose this? If you are a writer, please write and post anywhere you can.

People need to know that we are not all crazy killers just looking for a reason to snap. The MSM would have people believe that but it just is not true. People need to be educated in the fact that most veterans are functioning members of society that pose only a threat to the rouge government which is now villifying them.

Also, during these trying times, we veterans need to be there for each other now more than ever. If any of you ever need anything just reach out and I will be there as I hope all other veterans on this site will be. These are trying times for us and no matter how bad things get we must maintain the self control and discipline that was instilled with us in the military. We stand no chance in a rebellion or uprising without the full and unconditional support of our fellow countrymen. I know some of you are very angry, I am as well; I ask that nobody does anything stupid in retaliation to how we are being treated.

We must follow any avenue we can that could peacefully put the kaibash on the governments plan to label us all domestic terrorists in the eys of the public. I am open to any and all suggestions/ideas. Now is the time for us to come together more than ever. We need to act now before it is too late and we are being hunted down and locked away for simply being a threat.

ETA: If anyone is wondering why I placed this in the War on Terrorism forum; I placed it here because the War on Terrorism stands to quickly become a War on Veterans.

reply to post by usmc0311

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I talked about that thread and the DHS while at my VFW. The older Vets thought that I was crazy, while the younger ones nodded in agreement.

While it was all a vey cordial conversation I think that we are already divided.

reply to post by TDawgRex

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I am actually going to go to the local VFW to ask some of the members their thoughts on this. I have the feeling I will recieve the same as you but we shall see. We do have a few great veterans around here so I hope to spread the word in my local area first and foremost. I think that is the best place for all of us to start is within our local veteran groups. I will post anything I find out from the locals.

reply to post by usmc0311

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In order for this to gain any traction...a solution has to be agreed upon, first and foremost. We already know that the problem overall has many varied talking points and examples.

There are so many Veteran groups out there, with varying philosphies and ideologies it's a daunting task.

Getting them to all agree on the solution and you've won half the battle.

Just a example. I don't believe in such a thing as PTSD, but I do believe that people suffer from PTS. I say this because I believe that it is a syndrome due to the individuals experiance, but it's not a disorder.

But the Shrinks keep pushing the drugs rather than address the issue, which is rooted in the mentality of the patient.

TBI is a wholly different thing as there is a verifable diagnosis.

I've gotten into quite a few heated discussions over this mindset, but have won over a few as well.

Getting Vets to accept other Vets for their Religion, Political ideology, Skin color, just to name a few is the first hurdle. They must look at each other as Veterans, regardless of which conflict or dates of service or any of the aforementioned.

Once you have that, you'll have a unified force But getting there will be a tough row to hoe.

I am not a vet, but thank you for your service. I'd just like to add, if you are going to goto these VFW meets and try to explain these things out loud to those fine folks, at least bring the evidence you need to support your claims. That is straight from the horses mouth. I would defiantly print this report and share it with your brethren. That report is from April 2009, three years later here we are talking about it all over again.

www.fas.org...

Or you could print out parts of the article to highlight your concerns.

www.thedailysheeple.com...

People need to see facts.

reply to post by 12m8keall2c

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I don’t think that he is recruiting, but rather trying to address an issue concerning Veterans. Looking for answers, so to speak.

A bit off-topic, the “Social Issues” portion of your T&C reminder is a bit vague. Heck, I’m not a lawyer, that’s just how I view it.

I would say that almost every post would fall into that category, especially the political ones, as we discuss the varied points of view.

But thanks for the heads up.

reply to post by Bonified Ween

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Thank you for posting those, they will be very helpfull.

Semper Fi.

reply to post by usmc0311

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It is Orwellian. The truth is, from a governmental sense, the U.S. is the world's most dangerous terrorist nation. It is undeniable and can be proven. We've murdered more innocents in other countries entirely unprovoked than any country since Germany's Third Reich. Our own police forces are paramilitary, we are number one in incarceration, we kill others with drones accountable to no one, we openly admit torture, etc. America is no longer, and deservedly so, a moral force in the world. We have no moral high ground from which to lecture others.

Here is the best example and its a long term one that is still ongoing today:

We rail against Iran, yet it was us who overthrew their first democratically elected government in the 1950s and installed a dictator (Shah Reza Pavlavi) who would be a puppet allowing American countries to continue to plunder Iran's natural resources. It was the U.S. who gave Saddam the chemical weapons that killed thousands of Iranians in the Iraq/Iran War (which Iraq started). The U.S. has earned Iran's animosity, yet the people of Iran remain western-leaning. Of course, the average American knows nothing about this because the average American knows nothing of geo-politics. So FOX feeds them fear and hate about Iran, never mentioning the horror we have done to them, so understandable the ignorant American thinks Iran to be the enemy.

reply to post by usmc0311

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We are being vilified by the government we once swore to serve.

Do US service members swear to serve the government?

Governments come and go. What doesn't change is simple right or wrong and being true to yourself and thinking for yourself. Accepting the word of the government as right and doing their bidding is the reason we are all in this mess we are in, globally.
Blindly following the orders of government, because you have been told you are subordinate to them, is always going to end in a mess, simply because those in government do not care one jot about you. You are all simply expendable pawns to do their bidding and the concept that government serves the people is long gone.
Whining because that government now sees you as a threat is your own fault for allowing them to do so, and following their edicts without question, even fighting and killing people overseas is for them and their corporate and banking masters, and in no way can it be proven to in any way benefit the country and your fellow man.

In short, you acted as a government enforcer and now feel bitter, not about having been duped into fighting for them, but being seen as a threat now you are out. As long as people keep up this ridiculous idea that serving in the military means you are serving your country, then nothing will change.

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