Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigrants

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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday ordered state agencies to deny driver's licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration policy.

After the order was issued, supporters of the program and the DREAM Act took to the streets of Phoenix in protest. Video from Air15 showed the protesters carrying signs and walking down Central Avenue toward the State Capitol.

In an executive order, Brewer said she was reaffirming the intent of current Arizona law denying taxpayer-funded public benefits and state identification to illegal immigrants.

Young illegal immigrants around the nation on Wednesday began the process of applying for federal work permits under the federal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

The federal policy defers deportations for that group if they meet certain criteria, including arrival in the United States before they turned 16 and no convictions for certain crimes.


www.abc15.com...

So Brewer, sick of taxpayers putting up the huge amounts of money to sustain illegals, finally issues the middle finger to the Obama administration, with some executive orders of her own!

I was just reading about this insane policy from Obama, granting illegals the ability to work under deferred charges. In other words, this back door amnesty will look the other way at criminals in the face, and instead pander to them. What a slap in the face to border patrol agents who get shot at every day just trying to do their jobs!

This will no doubt bring law suits from the feds, who refuse to even enforce US immigration law. Absolute madness, and I for one agree with Brewer. If the feds refuse to enforce the law, and the citizens of Arizona and other border states have to bear the brunt of this insanity, then she has every right to take matters into her own hands. Because if she doesn't, who in the hell will? Cause the feds ain't cuttin it.



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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Ok, so what don't people understand about this?

It's not amnesty.

These immigrants came here with their parents, they didn't choose to cross the border illegally they were taken to the Untied States. They grew up here, went to school here, worked here.

They are just as American as you or any other who was actually born here if they were taken here as children.

The program only provides a temporary stay with work permits and ID's so that they may apply for the proper paths to citizenship without being deported. The problem with the current system without this new law is that most illegals who applied for citizenship were then deported from the country.

And there's a 465$ fee associated with the application, which ammounts to several hundred million dollars to pay for the program. Tax Payer money isn't being used.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Well then why don't you take that argument into Jan Brewer's office, and see how quickly you are shown the door.

It's no fault of the taxpayers here that illegals decided to have kids here or were brought here illegally. And she's sick and tired of taxpayers footing the bill. What, are those fees going to be used to fund another Fast and Furious program? Yeah right...nice...
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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
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Well then why don't you take that argument into Jan Brewer's office, and see how quickly you are shown the door.


That's your response?

I know I'd get thrown out, because Jan Brewer is a racist (imo) and she doesn't give a damn about anybody who wasn't actually born here.

The problem is that Jan Brewer actually doesn't want to solve the illegal immigration problem, other than throw them all out, put up a 100 foot fence and shoot anybody who tries to cross it.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Ok, so what don't people understand about this?

It's not amnesty.

These immigrants came here with their parents, they didn't choose to cross the border illegally they were taken to the Untied States. They grew up here, went to school here, worked here.

They are just as American as you or any other who was actually born here if they were taken here as children.

The program only provides a temporary stay with work permits and ID's so that they may apply for the proper paths to citizenship without being deported. The problem with the current system without this new law is that most illegals who applied for citizenship were then deported from the country.

And there's a 465$ fee associated with the application, which ammounts to several hundred million dollars to pay for the program. Tax Payer money isn't being used.

~Tenth


BUT!

Now that they are in the system, won't they be able to tap into the social programmes and entitlement programmes?



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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No?!

They aren't citizens, they don't have access to those programs regardless. This is just a stop gap so that those illegals CAN move towards citizenship without the fear of being deported.

~Tenth


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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Wow, already playing the race card. Digging rabbit holes to China already, are we, going so low?

Can't even talk about the illegal immigration issue anymore without getting accused of being a racist. :shk:

I'd like to see YOU be a citizen of Arizona or one of the other border states and have to deal with this insanity on a daily basis!
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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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No?!

They aren't citizens, they don't have access to those programs regardless. This is just a stop gap so that those illegals CAN move towards citizenship without the fear of being deported.

~Tenth

Thank you.

Another question perhaps.

This amnesty programme is through execuitive fiat, not law. Couldn't Romney reverse this the first day he's in office?



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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I'm about to make a post that will probably bring disagreement from both sides of the political divide but it's how I feel.

I don't have a huge problem with the program in and of itself. I'm trying to put myself in their position as to how I would feel if my parents took me to a foreign country as an infant. It would be the only home I ever knew, the main culture I identified with, the language I spoke, the country where my roots truly were and the friends I made. It would not be my fault. From what I understand, this is only available to the youth in GOOD STANDING with the law, in school or finished school, and for them to be here without fear since it was not their fault.

On the other hand...

I can completely support Brewer's decision to stop benefits to illegals. It's just common sense. Under no reason whatsoever should illegals be eligible for benefits paid for by the taxpayers.

The main issue I have with this 'amnesty' (or whatever you want to call it) is that our economy is so very tough right now with high unemployment. It hardly seems fair citizens should suffer. However, my heart does go out to the youth who had no choice but to be raised here.

On a site note, from what I understand Congress killed the Dream Act by voting it down but Obama went ahead with it anyways? I really don't think that is right for him to bypass the checks and balances.

It's a tough situation all the way around created by our porous borders for decades.
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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Wow, already playing the race card. Digging rabbit holes to China already, are we, going so low?

Can't even talk about the illegal immigration issue anymore without getting accused of being a racist. :shk:

I'd like to see YOU be a citizen of Arizona or one of the other border states and have to deal with this insanity on a daily basis!
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Umms sorry, but I'm not playing the race card. Jan Brewer has shown on multiple ocasions that she is firmly against ANY kind of immigration policy that doesn't include deporting EVERY illegal immigrant she can find.

She's never made it clear she woudl support any kind of program that allows them to become citizens. She's even created laws in her state that target latin folk, which is racist.

[Snipped out off topic remarks -- no need for them]

ETA: I"m not against her blocking benefits, that's not my issue. The ID's however are important for them to have...

~Tenth
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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Yes Romney could write an executive order to remove the program as far as I understand it.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Your missing what he means when he says taxpayer money. All this new law is from Obammy is a incentive for more to cross the border and stay legally.

The burden of the social support system is what he's talkin bout willis.


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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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This is a fiat order from Obama for millions to cut in line to become citizens. What about all the people that are waiting in line to do it the right way?

immigration is fine, just do it the right way and get in the back of the line!!!!



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by GrandHeretic
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 


Your missing what he means when he says taxpayer money. All this new law is from Obammy is a incentive for more to cross the border and stay legally.

The burden of the social support system is what he's talkin bout willis.


The program is only in effect until February.

How can it encourage more illegal immigration in that short of a period? I'm sure the coyotes will tell people that they can get their kids in scott free, but they are wrong.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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This is who should have run for president!!!

Jan Brewer and Sheriff Arpaio! Now that is a ticket I could get behind!


I actually liked Obama's recent executive order allowing some levels of amnesty, but I also totally agree with Gov. Brewer. We have to stop the source of the problems!

How to Fix Immigration.

That is my plan from a couple of years ago. We fix and secure the border, we give them a period of amnesty where they can get out or get legal, and then we make it a crime and we involve police, hospitals, employers, licensing authorities and everyone else that comes in contact with illegals and we arrest and deport them, and we make it clear that lethal force will be used at the border for anyone attempting to enter illegally. ALL BORDERS, the same goes for the North, and the same goes for the boats from Cuba, and the same goes for expired Student Visas, etc. We secure the country, and we make sure people coming and going are doing so legally, and we welcome those legal immigrants with open arms and a wealth of opportunity, but we do NOT allow the illegal ones in any way shape or form. Maybe they're a gardener.... or maybe they're a sniper!



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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I also was reading some sources yesterday from *Democrats* who were actually warning illegals to be wary of this program. They were concerned it could be a trap.

Not everyone who applies will be approved and if you are denied, then the government knows who you are, who your illegal families are, where you live, etc.

I personally think I'd be too paranoid to sign up for this. lol



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Good for her. This is an issue that is tough to crack no matter what side your on. However we do have laws in place to deal with immigration. There is a major problem when the laws we currently have in place are not being upheld. Even though these may not be the best laws they are still laws and should be enforced by our Govt until the people change those laws. Obama blatantly ignoring and refusing the enforce those laws is a direct reflection on him not the nation. Obama is not fit to be president. He never was and never will be.

As for what the Gov of Arizona is doing I agree with her. She has a fiduciary obligation to the people of Arizona to protect their state sovereignty and up hold Arizona law. If immigration is a problem there (which we all know it is) Then it is her duty to address the problem. She is doing her job, why are there not as many people complaining about Obama not doing his?



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Illegal immigrants are going to be paranoid about any program, but I think this one is a good program with good intentions. It is similar to what Newt Gingrich wanted to do also, and he got beat up in the debates over it, but it makes perfect sense.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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IMO this is another example of the choices we as a country have to make. Which way do we want to go as a people. It is my opinion the republican's offer is to go back to The Old Worlde tpye economy and two class system and no public lands. The democrat's offer is inclusion of everyone (socialism?), higher taxes, and more regulations. Either way you see it, there two different choices, neither one a good choice for me. But I will vote no matter what.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Wow, already playing the race card. Digging rabbit holes to China already, are we, going so low?

Can't even talk about the illegal immigration issue anymore without getting accused of being a racist. :shk:

I'd like to see YOU be a citizen of Arizona or one of the other border states and have to deal with this insanity on a daily basis!
edit on Thu Aug 16th 2012 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)


Umms sorry, but I'm not playing the race card.


Excuse me, but the word racist came out of your fingers, not mine. YES, you ARE playing the race card. RACE had nothing to do with this argument until YOU brought it up. EXACTLY what happened to me the last time I tried to discuss the illegal immigration issue- with ILLEGAL immigrants.





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