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Originally posted by Stunspot
reply to post by BIHOTZ
No, that which you cannot speak of is that which you do not understand.
Originally posted by tkwasny
Some do not have the "ears" to hear, nor the "eyes" to read. They think it's your fault that your format is by design encrypted. Since they do not see nor hear, you must be crazy and they think they are the washed because of their ego. Thus the style of the encryption.
If you assume because It is not in a direct format that it must be bunk..then you assume too much.
Have you ever read anything before or did you just learn today? If so, this style should not be new to you. Perhaps you can't fathom some grunt like me being able to think as a man of letters might.
Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by daskakik
You lack the literary skills to properly critic anything since by your own admission you have seen this style before but dont like it, yet comment on it out of ignorance. Like you really gave it much thought.....
Please stick to what you know since you seem like a mechanic commenting on a surgery. Learn and then critic me. Do you write poetry, abstract literature? No.....then why in sam´s hell should I value your opinion?
I suggest you take a page from your own book of ignorant commentary and discourage your efforts in such activities, since your efforts are only of discouragement, not constructive criticism...
oh, if you had any honest questions ask, I would not wiggle, you lack the substance in your argument to ask the meaning of anything since you don't have any valid issues with it. All poetry is subjective to the reader, or have you never taken a literature class to know that? Do you think we read poetry or abstract literature like it the way we read Beowulf....? That is a little ignorant to assume, don't you think?
SO any honest questions? No? You know what everything means and/ or don't think any of it has meaning? I see, MR. blind man. The member you say coped out is actually correct and what you have done is a cop out since you have yet to provide any real questions, just OPINION...which is ill informed and underdeveloped. So, stop coping out. Cop out.
Actually I do have the literary skills. It isn't that I don't like the style in and of itself, it's its use for conveying any form of concise message where it falls short.
The member I responded to said some will not get the message because they can't get past the encryption. Since you say that that person is correct them you must have a concrete message. So which is it subjective interpretation or is there a concrete message?.
I understand that man has lost contact with his natural state, whatever that is, and lives in a foggy, dumbed down state and should strive to regain his natural state.Is that the massage, is there more?
Autumn wind of eve,
blow away the clouds that mass
over the moon's pure light
and the mists that cloud our mind,
do thou sweep away as well.
Now we disappear,
well, what must we think of it?
From the sky we came.
Now we may go back again.
That's at least one point of view.
Whether one passes on or remains is all the same.
That you can take no one with you is the only difference.
Ah, how pleasant! Two awakenings and one sleep.
This dream of a fleeing world! The roseate hues of early dawn!
came like dew
disappears like dew.
All of Naniwa
is dream after dream.
Even a life-long prosperity is but one cup of sake;
A life of forty-nine years is passed in a dream;
I know not what life is, nor death.
Year in year out-all but a dream.
Both Heaven and Hell are left behind;
I stand in the moonlit dawn,
Free from clouds of attachment.
by Robert Pinsky
When I had no roof I made
Audacity my roof. When I had
No supper my eyes dined.
When I had no eyes I listened.
When I had no ears I thought.
When I had no thought I waited.
When I had no father I made
Care my father. When I had
No mother I embraced order.
When I had no friend I made
Quiet my friend. When I had no
Enemy I opposed my body.
When I had no temple I made
My voice my temple. I have
No priest, my tongue is my choir.
When I have no means fortune
Is my means. When I have
Nothing, death will be my fortune.
Need is my tactic, detachment
Is my strategy. When I had
No lover I courted my sleep.
Originally posted by BIHOTZ
That is the problem then. You are looking for a concise message when the message is to promote a state of mind, a way I find beneficial for growing our understanding of perception and worth/ importance.
he is correct in that you are blind to meaning beyond a singular state for all things. That you want to see a finite and singular meaning to things, rather than find meaning that is "transcendental". The best way to convey this to you for me would be to suggest that you need to find the better questions in life rather than the best or correct answer.
That is the only way to break from the preconceptions of reality you may have and find that you are capable of seeing with new eyes all that you know and so seeing new things you may have never known /seen. That your ability to see is not flawed, but what and how you see is. The eyes that see are blind. they see darkness and think it is darkness. Other eyes / "sight" might see a whole universe in that same darkness.....that they might see/ be light....see.
Yes. always. There is always a next step in a "way"....its a path not a destination I want you to see.
don't you love the sun ?, for its warmth and how it shows you the world. Find the "illumination" you don't know......find your eye....open up and see.
no hard feelings man. I was having a little fun with you since you seemed like a worm that bit but wiggled too much to let the fish consume him...to surrender to the cycle and become part of the fish /become the fish.....
If a message is encrypted then it must be concise. What that message seeks to evoke is something else and will be subjective. I think that is where the communication breakdown lies.
I understand all that. I don't agree with those who think that this understanding can't be conveyed in simple words.
So, I stated in simple words, and a lot less of them, what you basically meant. You add a dozen or so more and the message is complete. That wasn't so hard, was it?
I have already done that, without the use of prose. That is the real reason I disagreed with the idea that the message "is by design encrypted".
I can also say that you failed to surrender and become the straight talker because of the vanity of being a poet.
That is not to say that there is anything wrong with poets and their works but to think that it is the only way to get people thinking and that it somehow weeds the blind from the seeing, seems to be in direct opposition to the content of the OP.