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Topic started on 15-8-2012 @ 11:03 PM by Aloysius the Gaul

Pharma giant threatens Danish scientist


sciencenordic.com
A large German pharmaceutical company is bringing out the heavy artillery against a Danish professor, reports Danish newspaper Berlingske.

The company, Fresenius Kabi, is threatening to lodge a compensation claim worth millions after Professor Anders Perner published a study arguing that a common treatment for severe sepsis with the drug hydroxyethyl starch (HES) can induce kidney failure and haemorrhages, which in the worst case can kill the patient
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reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 11:23 PM by SarnholeOntarable
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



Dam Pharma people....story reminds me of that big tobacco company....just goes to show all scientists are not deceiving.



reply posted on 16-8-2012 @ 03:39 PM by pavil
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Not saying the Big Drug company is right or the scientist is. Sepsis is fatal in a very short time period, I would try anything to stop it in it's tracks before it kills you, even if that remedy has it's own list of problems. Sepsis is a problem that ends in death, myself I'd prefer something with more options available.
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reply posted on 16-8-2012 @ 05:00 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by drbatstein



that's just nonsense - and of course it is competely significant you didn't try to post any evidence to support your stupid claim.

the truth is that big pharma are out ot make money, and don't particularly care about eth ethics of how they do it.


reply posted on 16-8-2012 @ 07:06 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



I doubt anyone who posts to this thread knows which side is right, although some will pretend to know.

It's also an extremely large leap to say this is evidence that so called Big Pharma is out to get us

All the evidence goes the other way in fact. Each generation lives longer and is healthier in old age which actually proves there is no conspiracy.

This story will pose a dilemma however for those who think both the Pharmaceutical companies and MD's are out to get them.

Either side could be telling the truth. The courts should figure that out.

I'd hate to be on either side to be honest. Say a company develops a drug that will save tens of thousands of lives, but it is also known that a handful of people will have an adverse reaction; do you let the tens of thousands die because of that?

Peanuts are deadly to a small part of the population, so should we outlaw Peanuts? Strawberries? Aspirin?

This is like the Gluten stuff now in a way. A tiny part of the population has issues tolerating Gluten, but the vast majority do not. The snake oil crowd is out in large numbers preaching that nobody should eat anything with Gluten even though it's likely meaningless to them. Those susceptible to psychosomatic illness will develop imagined symptoms and spread the paranoia even further. Who get's hurt? Innocent Farmers selling perfectly safe products. Who gets rich? Those preying on the paranoid and uninformed selling Gluten Free stuff for highly inflated prices to people who don't even need their products.

There are bad people in charge of Pharmaceutical companies I'm sure, bad MD's, bad people selling useless products with false health claims and bad consumers who spread falsehoods out of irrationality. No company though is out to kill it's customers and potential investors. That is just absurd. Each case stands alone and the industry wide conspiracy is a myth in my opinion. Were it true we would live less years each generation and be less healthy in old age.

The insane prices are compliments of our government, taxes and regulations. That is a conspiracy that IS real in this topic genre.


reply posted on 20-8-2012 @ 08:12 AM by Heresy
I looked up the research and it's looking like there is a higher death rate for people treated with the hydroxyethyl starch.

I found the published study
www.nejm.org...

Most interesting was at the bottom:

Dr. Perner reports receiving grant support from Fresenius Kabi. .


So much for scientists doing what big pharma pays them to do.
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