Fascinating Video: Muslim Imam explaining the technique in wife beating.

my thoughts

the Koran and Bible were written by men 1,000+years ago this is the 21st century I'd like to believe we have came to understand that you shouldn't stone/beat women or oppress them.

what is right and wrong changes as times goes by and knowledge is gained, if it didn't slavery wouldn't be illegal, women wouldn't be able to vote or be considered equal to men in the work place, gays would be hung, you'd have people still thinking the world is flat and that there is witches.

it's scary some people take word for word from the koran/bible seriously and think it's the truth and you should live by it and force it upon others, and it's always going to be US from THEM mentality. scary times are ahead.

reply to post by CountDrac


Muhammad punched his favourite wife Aisha in the chest, due to the fact that she left the house without his permission.

Note: The Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way.

Statistical Islam

Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Hadith Muslim 4:2127

To imitate Mohammad is to lead the perfect Muslim life.

Remember gentlemen, a devout Muslim punches his wife in the chest if she leaves home without your permission!

Mohammad, the wife beater. Blessed be his name.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by blackmetalmist

 

one day people will hopefully start seeing the truth about islam.

and with this statement your agenda is apparent...

hows this for an agenda?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I could just as easily say "one day people will hopefully start seeing the truth about Judaism."....but I know better...

bottom line is both practices are disgusting...what is your point OP?

Originally posted by ollncasino
Muhammad punched his favourite wife Aisha

Note: The Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way.

Mohammad, the wife beater. Blessed be his name.

Well, I guess that explains a LOT of things...

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by blackmetalmist

 

one day people will hopefully start seeing the truth about islam.

I hope people don't see Islam through your distorted perspective. Obviously it is allowed to slap your wife in Western culture and law, if the wife permits it. Heard of the term "snap out of it", with a slap it helps.

reply to post by insaan


That's in a case of extreme situations were the person has lost it. Not because she didn't go fast enough to get him a beer or make a sandwich...........

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Try to understand what he is talkin about before accused him its completly prohibited to beat your wife in islam you treat her like queen respect and trust her with all your heart there is only under one single resing you can beat if slap you or beat under this circumstance u can beat less than she did to you don't exceed the limit by hurtin her is prohibited under any circumstance to hurt your wife islam is a religion. That teaches peace unity and understanding and every human. Being have total right to do what ever religion he wanted to practice nobody have any right to force to do something you don't want to do bt in west they already condem islam and they didn't understand it try to understand it before you judge islam is a light and islam is a civilization but it was condem by the west tryin. To make peape understnd it violent

reply to post by alphazazee


He said it plain and simple that the only reason the Koran says you can beat your wife is if she does NOT HAVE SEX with you when you want it. Wow, that sounds like a great reason...

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by insaan

 

That's in a case of extreme situations were the person has lost it. Not because she didn't go fast enough to get him a beer or make a sandwich...........

Yeah, but the drug addict and alcoholics do beat their wives because they can, right? and Western law is in support of such behavior simply because the woman does not press charges. Right?

And are you insinuating that Islam supports beating of woman/wife if they don't go fast enough to get a beer or sandwich? You should choose your jokes carefully, specially when US law apparently allows women soldiers to get raped because they are women. That was a joke, sorry I'm really not good at sick humor.

That being said, Islam only supports beating of wife in extreme situation, as I laid forward the term which is also used in the West hence "snap out of it". So if you are going to criticize Islam, please be fair and criticize the Western society also, because they practice the same thing.

Originally posted by insaan

Yeah, but the drug addict and alcoholics do beat their wives because they can, right? and Western law is in support of such behavior simply because the woman does not press charges. Right?

Wrong if she is stupid enough not to report then nobody knows.

Originally posted by SLAYER69


Wrong if she is stupid enough not to report then nobody knows.

Now you're being defensive, you don't need to, in the other hand you can admit both Islam and Western culture/law permits beatings in extreme situations. If not, then you have to stay defensive and face my fallacious arguments.

Note - There has been countless cases where the law is fully aware of the abuse, there's a big difference between knowing, and pressing charges. Get it? So does Western law support wife bashing because the wife doesn't press charges?

reply to post by LadySkadi

Remind me again where the "rule of thumb" expression came from? Won't be the first "religious interpretation" to claim the right to dominate women... There's a long history of that.

Rule of thumb is not in the Bible btw.

From Wiki

It is often claimed incorrectly that the term's etymological origin lies in a law that limited the maximum thickness of a stick with which it was permissible for a man to beat his wife.[6][7][2] British common law before the reign of Charles II permitted a man to give his wife "moderate correction", but no "rule of thumb" (whether called by this name or not) has ever been the law in England.[8][9] Such "moderate correction" specifically excluded beatings, allowing the husband only to confine a wife to the household.[10]

reply to post by insaan

Now you're being defensive, you don't need to, in the other hand you can admit both Islam and Western culture/law permits beatings in extreme situations. If not, then you have to stay defensive and face my fallacious arguments.

I was on a jury once, where the Man beat his wife, the only evidence they had was the pictures of the bruises, the wife refuted the story despite the evidence.

So the Cops and the DA still tried to get the guy.

He got off.

Its illegal, but with out evidence and direct testimony of the victim they practically need video to convict.

reply to post by benrl


So if for example you slap your wife because she lost it, and somehow it was recorded, would the man be convicted of assault? What if the wife said it was OK, I snapped out of it, what if the wife understood why the husband slapped her? Would you go to prison? Would you be convicted of any crime?

What about the disturbing new trend of sexual behavior in Western society? Where women are brutalized in the worst imaginative manner, while being recorded, why isn't anyone going to prison for these acts?

reply to post by insaan


If I get in a fight at the bar, and the other man decides not to press charges, if the level of damage he received does not equal the legal definition of assault, I would get off.

Same situation applies to spousal abuse, although depending on the state some have much stricter domestic violence laws.

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Let's not forget that Christianity has only become well, what it is today in the last 50 years.

Hell people use to lock up handicaps in their attic to prevent the church from finding out in some cases.

The abuse of women and children was still rampant in the church. Islam is no saint today and yes, a lot of is backward and yes not enough moderatore muslims who live the same way the xtians do, don't speak up.

All are compounding problems, along with the propaganda of course.

In any case, let's not jump on the anti-Islam wagon if we aren't going to nit pick every other religion into oblivion. Hardly any of them are better than the other over the long history they have.

~Tenth

I love that argument...

"Hey Christianity was bad, so give Islam a pass"

Islam on treatment of your wife.

4:34

Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them

Christianity on it.

Ephesians 5:25-29 - Husbands, continue loving YOUR wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it, 26 that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, 27 that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendor, not having a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 In this way husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself, 29 for no man ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation

Another words, treat your wife how christ treated you, which in Christianity means protect and care for her even till death.

edit on 15-8-2012 by benrl because: (no reason given)

Yes yes! Pick out the best quotes in the Bible and pick out the not so good, misquoted, out of context quotes from the Quran.

Put simply only a gutless weak animal beats up on a woman. Anyone out there fit this description? You know who you are.

reply to post by alphazazee


Buddy, that video proves it. An Islamic cleric on national TV says it's ok to beat your wife, but only in a certain way and certain circumstances. What a barbaric and cowardly culture. They treat their woman folk like possessions not people. If my daughter comes home with a Muslim boyfriend and he lays a hand on her, I would kick the living # out of him. But that's OK, man to man in a fair fight. I have 2 sisters and obviously a Mother and was brought up to respect women, hitting them is unthinkable and weak.

reply to post by RimDaas


Did you watch the video?

Originally posted by benrl
I love that argument...

"Hey Christianity was bad, so give Islam a pass"

Isn't this the same counter-argument for any and all Islamic related threads.

I believe discussion on Islam has reached an impasse where everything just loops. A thread is made on Islam doing this and that, and the exact same counter arguments are made as the previous thread. Namely:

- Christianity was/is also bad
- They're not real Muslims
- They're extreme Muslims
- The Koran doesn't say this
- They interpreted the Koran wrong
- It's not religion, it's the Culture

If you call the culture ass-backwards they say you're racist. etc.

Same arguments all over.