Fascinating Video: Muslim Imam explaining the technique in wife beating.

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Yes the Ten Commandments are laws (not gummy bears) that an entire religion is based on. Unless you missed that class in school?

Yes out of the top 5 biggest religions Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Chinese folk religion and Islam. Islam is the only one who didn’t modernize in the past 400 hundred years. Ask any historian or religious scholar. P:S- this thread is about this century…

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Women have undoubtedly been stoned in some countries in the M.E. but it does not happen anywhere near as often as those with a zionist agenda claim.
Sorry for dragging religion into this debate but I don't think the words of Jesus has stopped Jews practising murder.

Originally posted by abdel
Women have undoubtedly been stoned in some countries in the M.E.

Thank you for your honesty.

but it does not happen anywhere near as often as those with a zionist agenda claim.

I wouldn't know. I've never met one.

Sorry for dragging religion into this debate but I don't think the words of Jesus has stopped Jews practising murder.

You were the one who brought it up but I agree that's a topic for another thread.

Misconception: Women have no rights

The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.

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Don’t be ridiculous. Stoning is legal in Iran and widely practiced in the Middle East. Family honor (including killing a woman for adultery) is legal in 80% of the Islamic states in the Middle East. UN report and statistics not mine.

Why don’t you comment about this interview that was broadcast on national TV in Saudi Arabia?

Originally posted by CountDrac
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Don’t be ridiculous. Stoning is legal in Iran and widely practiced in the Middle East. Family honor (including killing a woman for adultery) is legal in 80% of the Islamic states in the Middle East. UN report and statistics not mine.

Why don’t you comment about this interview that was broadcast on national TV in Saudi Arabia?

Family honour is part of Sharia law but does not mean honour killings, that is mainly confined to Pakistan, a country that does many things that I disagree with.
I didn't comment on the vid because any Saudi, crazy old man can make a video about anything they want and it will not be pulled if it makes Islam look bad. That is why I don't trust youtube vids.
In Islam we are taught that all women are our sisters and must be treated with respect.

The hypocritical society we live in today


DEATH SENTENCES IMPOSED UPON FEMALE OFFENDERS in USA, 1973 - December 31, 2011

Velma Barfield in North Carolina on November 2, 1984 - She was in a relationship with Stuart Taylor who was a widower. She forged checks on Taylor's account to pay for her addiction. Fearing that she had been found out, she mixed an arsenic based rat poison into his beer and tea. Taylor became very ill. As his condition worsened, she took him to the hospital where he died a few days later. There was an autopsy which found that the cause of Taylor's death was arsenic poisoning and Velma was arrested and charged with his murder. At the trial, her defense pleaded insanity but this was not accepted and she was convicted. The jury recommended the death sentence. Velma appeared cold and uncaring on the stand and gave the District Attorney a round of applause when he made his closing speech. See "Velma Barfield" by Denise Noe, Court TV.

Karla Faye Tucker in Texas on February 3, 1998 - When she was 13, she began traveling with the Allman Brothers Band. In her early 20's she started to hang out with bikers and on June 13, 1983 she entered the home of another biker with Danny Garrett and James Leibrant to steal a motorcycle. During the robbery, two persons were killed, and Garrett and Tucker were convicted of committing murder with a pickaxe. This case entered the U.S. and international news because she had become a born-again Christian while in prison and George W. Bush, then governor of Texas, had to decide on her request for clemency, which he ultimately denied. Read "Karla Faye Tucker: Texas' Controversial Murderess" by Joseph Geringer, Court TV.

Judy Buenoano in Florida on March 30, 1998 - Buenoano executed for the 1971 murder of her husband James Goodyear. As well, she was convicted of multiple counts of grand theft (for insurance fraud), and is thought to have committed multiple acts of arson (again, for purposes of insurance fraud). Read "Florida's Black Widow Executed" by CNN (March 30, 1998).

Betty Lou Beets in Texas on February 24, 2000 - She was convicted of shooting her fifth husband Jimmy Don Beets. Beets reported that her husband was missing on August 6, 1983 from their home in Henderson County, Texas. Her son, Robert Branson, would later testify that Beets had said that she intended to kill her husband and told her son to leave the house. On returning two hours later to the house, he found Jimmy Don Beets dead with two gunshot wounds. He helped his mother conceal the body in the front yard of the house, after which Beets telephoned the police. At the time of the execution, she was 62 years old, and had five children, nine grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. See "Texas Executes Betty Lous Beets for Husband's Murder" by CNN (February 24, 2000).

Christina Riggs in Arkansas on May 2, 2000 - Riggs, a licensed nurse, was convicted of murder by smothering her two preschool-aged children in their beds at the family's Sherwood home. She wrote suicide notes saying "I hope one day you will forgive me for taking my life and the life of my children. But I can’t live like this any more, and I couldn’t bear to leave my children behind to be a burden on you or to be separated and raised apart from their fathers and live knowing their mother killed herself." Then took 28 Elavil tablets, normally a lethal dose, and injected herself with enough undiluted potassium chloride to kill five people. The next day, police officers entered her apartment and found Riggs and rushed her to the hospital. During the death penalty phase, Riggs would not allow attorneys to put on a defense, saying she wanted a death sentence. The jury obliged, and she was sentenced to death by lethal injection. Riggs said "thank you" and squeezed her attorney's hand. Read "Woman Executed in Arkansas" by BBC News (May 3, 2000).

Wanda Jean Allen in Oklahoma on January 11, 2001- She was sentenced to death in 1989 for killing her lover, Gloria Leathers, in Oklahoma City in 1988. The two women, who had met in prison, had a turbulent relationship. Leathers' death followed a protracted argument between the couple which began at a local shop, continued at their home, and culminated outside a police station. Allen maintained she had acted in self-defence, claiming that Leathers had struck her in the face with a hand rake during the confrontation at the house, and that outside the police station Leathers had again come at her with the rake. Allen shot Leathers. The wound to Allen's face from the rake was still visible when she was photographed in jail. Later in 1995, A psychologist conducted a comprehensive evaluation of Wanda Jean Allen found ''clear and convincing evidence of cognitive and sensori-motor deficits and brain dysfunction'' possibly linked to an adolescent head injury. See Amnesty International's Legal Concern on Wanda Jean Allen.

Marilyn Plantz in Oklahoma on May 1, 2001 - Plantz hired her teenage boyfriend Clifford Bryson and his friend William McKimble to kill her husband for about $300,000 in life insurance. Entering his home after work, he was ambushed by Bryson and McKimble and beaten with bats while Plantz and kids were asleep in bed. Plantz got up and instructed them to "burn him" to make it look like an accident. They drove him to deserted location, doused him and his pickup with gasoline and set it on fire. McKimble pled to Life and testified. Plantz and Bryson were tried jointly. Bryson was executed in 2000. Read "Oklahoma Woman Faces Execution" by BBC News (May 1, 2001).

Lois Nadean Smith in Oklahoma on December 2, 2001- Smith was convicted of killing her son's 21- year old ex-girlfriend, Cindy Baillie in July 1982. Baillie was shot nine times and stabbed in the throat. Authorities said Smith and her son, Greg, picked up Baillie the morning of the killing. Smith then confronted her about rumors that she had threatened to have her son killed. Lois Smith's attorneys said she was trying to protect her son and was under the influence of alcohol and drugs at the time. See Lois Nadean Smith from the Clark County, IN prosecutor.

Lynda Lyon Block in Alabama on May 10, 2002 - Lyon shot Alabama police Sergeant Roger Motley, Jr. outside of a Wal-Mart during a gunfight between him and her common-law husband, George Sibley, Jr. By Sibley's own account, he was trying to explain to Motley why he didn't need a driver's license when Motley put his hand on his service revolver. Sibley then drew his gun out of the car. Motley took cover behind his patrol car; witnesses stated Sibley fired first. Lyon was at a pay phone when she heard gunfire. Witnesses stated that she was in a crouched position when she fired; she said she fired just as she stopped running toward Motley. She kept firing as he got into his patrol car because, she recalled later, she feared he was getting a shotgun. They maintained they acted in self-defense. Read Amnesty International's Urgent Action on Lynda Lyon Block.

Aileen Wuornos in Florida on October 9, 2002 - Wuornos was a prostitute and convicted serial killer who was sentenced to death by the state of Florida in 1992. She ultimately received five additional death sentences. Wuornos admitted to killing seven men, in separate incidents, all of whom she claimed raped her (or attempted to) while she was working as a prostitute. The 2003 movie Monster, starring Charlize Theron and Christina Ricci, tells Wuornos' story from the moment she met Selby Wall (based on Wuornos' lover and four-year companion, Tyria Moore) until her first conviction for murder. See "Aileen Wuornos: Killer Who Preyed on Truck Drivers" by Marlee MacLeod, Court TV.

Frances Newton in Texas on September 14, 2005 - She was executed for the for the April 7, 1987 murder of her husband, Adrian, 23, her son, Alton, 7, and daughter, Farrah, 21 months. The prosecution suggested that the motive for the killings was to collect the US $100,000 life insurance policy. Newton said that a drug dealer killed the three. The Houston police claims that her husband, Adrian Newton, was a drug dealer and was in debt to his supplier. Newton maintained her innocence from her first interrogation in 1987 until her execution in 2005. Read Amnesty International's Legal Concern on Frances Newton.

Teresa Lewis in Virginia on September 23, 2010 - She was executed for the October 30, 2002 murder of her husband and stepson in an attempt to claim life insurance money. The murder was carried out by two hired gunmen, Matthew Shallenberger and Rodney Fuller, who were both sentenced to life in prison. Lewis was regarded as the mastermind of the murders at the time of her trial, though later analysis would suggest that with her low IQ and dependency disorder that she was manipulated by the gunmen. Read The Washington Post's story on Teresa Lewis.

Prior to this, the last female offender executed was Elizabeth Ann Duncan, executed by California on August 8, 1962.

Death sentences and actual executions for female offenders are also rare in comparison to such events for male offenders. In fact, women are more likely to be dropped out of the system the further the capital punishment system progresses. Following in summary outline form are the data indicating this screening out effect:

* women account for about 1 in 10 (10%) murder arrests;
* women account for only 1 in 50 (2.1%) death sentences imposed at the trial level;
* women account for only 1 in 67 (1.8%) persons presently on death row; and
* women account for only 1 in 100 (.9%) persons actually executed in the modern era.

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

nvm

Well one point everyone agrees on is equal rights for both sexes. Now on the whole Muslim thing. What do you suggest to fix this? Punish the entire middle east and change their governments and laws to fit the "modern age" and they will simply agree to this? Pointless argument just a good way for people to get mad at each other and start talking crap about religions

on another note i spoke to the the man who is the keeper of the mosque in my city (i live in Coquimbo, Chile , where you can find the largest catholic monument and also a mosque which was in part donated by the king of Morroco) he told me that Islam is the 3rd stage of the the same monotheistic religion apparently Judaism was 1st, Christianity 2nd and Islam the 3rd and most complete stage of this

maybe you all knew that already i just thought it was interesting >.

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FYI Executions...

USA - 43

Iran - 360+

China - Thousands

Hello everyone. Please stay on topic and make every post count.

Thank you.

No PERSON should be beat, based on Gender.

Anyone that uses religion, as a front for this ,is wrong.

Countries that advocate this type of brutality, based on religion, are wrong also.

MHO

Originally posted by DAZ21
Let's not forget all races and people of all backgrounds have the same issues.

Your next door neighbor could be a wife beater, he doesn't have to be Muslim.

That may well be,but I think the difference is that an IMAM is using religious DOGMA to perpetrate violence and is formally demonstrating the "proper" method to carry out such violence AND filming it! Pointing this out though does not mean that I don't know how people act HERE,I am only commenting about it insofar as to say how these Islamic men are taking it much further and it's SANCTIONED by their beliefs/religion.Despicable.

Can't seem to find a similar reference in the New Testament...it seems to be full of hippy love stuff. Sounds like the Imam in the vid is speaking from experience - feel very sorry for his wives.

But, just like Christianity, Islam has many branches....wonder which one the freak belongs too.

Never an excuse to beat your partner - if you get to that point, you have failed as a partner IMO.

Originally posted by CountDrac
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you missed the best part. A man is allowed only to beat his woman if she does not agree to sleep with him.

Wow. I've been doing it all wrong. I always just booted 'em out the door and popped open a cold beer. Who knew there was a different way?

Originally posted by abdel

Originally posted by CountDrac
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ohh , i did inform the police about a muslim beating his wife because she did not obey him. Sad thing was she dropped the charges because her own brothers threatened to kill her as well. SICK people...

Sorry for doubting you Drac but you talking bull sh1t

Oh really. I won't post the graphic horrendous pictures of women in arab countries who have been brutally cut, their noses cut off and murdered, and many of them for disobeying.

And the murders in Canada and UK.

And the women in France who spoke up and the reason they donned the Burqa was out being raped by the men in the family, and that was a book pubished.

I am so sick and tired of the lies and apologetics who come on and try to whitewash this.

Its over.

Every single woman and child, and good man on this planet is FREED. PERIOD.

And they come on and lie outright.

I've read and researched and seen those pictures.

And will never ever forget that little preteen girl who talked to boys on the way to or from school, who was tied to a chair and buried alive.

I've also read some of the scriptures.

YOU LIE.

What I want to know is where the true moderates and upgraded muslims are and why they aren't condemning all of this stridenlty?

Are they living in FEAR OF REPRISAL?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Let's not forget that Christianity has only become well, what it is today in the last 50 years.

The Koran states that husbands are allowed to beat disobedient wives. Wife beating is mainstream Islam.

Koran 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Koran 4:34

In the Hadith Muslim, Muhammad struck his favourite wife (Aisha whom he consummated his marriage with when she was 9 and he was in his 50s) in the chest for leaving the house without his permission.

Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Hadith Muslim 4:2127

Islam advocates wife beating. It is a mistake to assume that Islam is just another religion.