Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter

Originally posted by Kaploink
Yet, the real sources of modern voter fraud continues. Hacked voting machines and mail in ballots. At least you will sleep better thinking illegal immigrants and dead people won't be voting.

Showing id when you vote is one step closer to eleminating the fraud problem. If a person wants to vote then getting and presenting identification isn't too much to expect.
Kudos Pennsylvania !

look it's pretty simple... republicans don't want anyone that will help Obama win the election to vote...all you people out there in america that do not have a republican-OKed picture ID are not americans.
republicans made sure that those people have no right to vote...talk about traitors

an idea...have the republican party pay FOR ALL the voter ID's needed, no exceptions

Goof Lord... drop the hysterics!

Nobody's right to vote is being impacted. Go get your FREE ID and feel free to exercise your right to vote. What's the freaking problem?

which ID is authorized by the republicans?
how much do the republicans want to charge for it?
where will the republicans have the ID's?

Good, I'm so glad that a judge actually has a clue. Now if only every state would do the same we can stop a bunch of voter fraud perpetrated by the DNC.

I have only voted once (the last Prez election). During that time I lived in Texas and had to show my ID. I didn't think anything of it and still don't. Maybe I am naive but who doesn't have some type of photo ID? I mean if people have to show their ID's to something simple like purchase an item with a credit card than why not to vote? I fully understand that voter fraud is so rare it is almost nonexistent, but I have always thought showing an ID was the norm. Maybe it's because I was in the Military and we had to show our ID's for every little thing. I just don't really see this as a big of a deal as many have been making it. But the just my opinion.

Looking at the main argument of the folks opposed to the ID requirements....

"That there is no substantial proof of fraud so therefore no law is needed....."

Well, do you have to wait for someone to be murdered before you can pass a law that makes it a crime? Or do you try to stop it from happening before by letting known the penalties. I mean it is the one of the most important functions the Gov't has.

"Better to be safe than sorry (again)

Common sense dictates that ID is required to vote.....'nuff said.

Whiney babies that don't want to take the time nor make the effort to get ID probably don't really need to vote anyway. (That's just my opinion....not worth much.) They will probably expect the DMV folks to drive out to them, camera in tow, government pays the fee, they get their ID, then a bus or van will pick them up and take them to the polling booth to vote on election day.....oh, and take them home.....and buy them breakfast or lunch in the interim.

This is ridiculous.

Federal law states that American citizens over 18 MUST carry an ID at all times.
To all the legal citizens opposing this, is it so hard to reach into your wallet, and pull out a plastic card?

"But the old ladies don't have an ID!"

That is their fault, if they are so old they should know by now that it is the law to have an ID.

"But it is our RIGHT to vote, and this is infringement!"

No, it is a right for LEGAL U.S. citizens to vote. It is not infringement, unless you don't carry an ID. In which case is illegal.

By your same logic, we should stop checking ID's and doing background checks on gun purchases. That is also a right, no? Do you want convicted felons, kids, whoever, all buying guns, legally without question?

Should anyone be able to drive? If you don't need an ID, drivers licenses would be pointless. Hell, let's just let kids get alcohol and tobacco while we're at it.

Or, you could suck it up and realize that the responsible thing to do is give up a very small amount of freedom for a better way of life for the masses.

Here, we are required to show I.D. and it is a non-issue. People who are not intelligent enough to own a valid piece of I.D. shouldn't be voting anyway.

Originally posted by verschickter
Maybe I´m already brainwashed but when you get to vote in Germany, you get a card that you bring to the voting room, with you passport or ID and then you are allowed to vote. I see nothing sinister about that. Am I missing something?

That's how it is here in Florida, and in Missouri too. I can't believe there is any place that would let you vote without ID?

If someone can't figure out how to get a basic identification then they don't need to be voting anyway. Hell, there ought to be some kind of quiz to make sure they know a little bit about the process, and a little bit about the candidates before they just go in and blindly pick a name at random too!

Without ID, you can't cash a check, can't buy beer, cigarettes, or lottery tickets, can't go to a rated R movie, can't fly, probably can't get on a bus or train in some places, can't get into a bar, and are likely to get cavity searched if you happen to get stopped by a cop, because they'll never believe you just don't have an ID. Illegal immigrants get ID's, surely registered voters can get them!

And how did they get registered to vote in the first place if they didn't have an ID?

I wonder why there isn't too many supporters of the Defeat of the Law... trying to defend that side of things...

Why?

Because it is indefensible. Anyone with a brain listening to the arguments that it isn't a good law must look at the attorneys presenting the case and wonder: These folks need to be disbarred...

Originally posted by anon72
I wonder why there isn't too many supporters of the Defeat of the Law... trying to defend that side of things...

Why?

Because it is indefensible. Anyone with a brain listening to the arguments that it isn't a good law must look at the attorneys presenting the case and wonder: These folks need to be disbarred...

Actually from what I saw there is. The group behind this court action is appealing the decision to the state supreme court on an expedited basis due to the elections coming up.

Apparently the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is having a minor issue of their own with one of the justices being investigated for corruption. That leaves 6 justices who apparently are split down the center - 3 on the right and 3 on the left (affiliation / views / whatever you wish to call it).

If the review is granted and a deadlock / tie occurs with the justices the same thing will occur as if it were the FEderal US Supreme Court. The last court decision made prior to it coming to the Supreme Court will be the final say on the issue.

Im not sure if they will try to appeal federally if that occurs and if they do I dont think there will be enough time to get it resolved before the elections. Only option I could see would be an injunction against enforcing that law but who knows.