posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Awen24
This is an open question to Muslims.
I'm a Christian, by way of disclosure, but my question isn't a pointed one... just one born out of curiosity.
Let's say that the 12th Imam 'arrives' next year on the international scene.
How exactly would you know? How is he identified? Is it by way of lineage (e.g a descendent of Mohammed)...? If so, how would that be proven? Is
there a current, reliable source that shows the descendants of Mohammed?
Thanks in advance!
I think it goes on oral tradition, there are many who claim to be descended from him through Fatima and Ibn Ali.
Genetic Testing To Prove Descendency To Mohammed
With these various samples, we were able to identify an overlapping signature in their DNA, a common thread for all of them, which is their
genetic lineage from the Prophet, if their oral tradition is accurate,” said Bennett Greenspan, chief executive of Family Tree DNA, which is said to
have amassed one of the largest DNA databases in the world.
Again, it goes back to oral tradition in most cases. Really it is like if British people said they descend from King Arthur. The men who were tested
do share a common ancestor, but it is mere oral tradition that they come from Mohammed. If they are then great for them.
The Prophet Mohammed had no surviving sons but his daughter Fatima married her paternal second cousin, Ali, producing two grandsons: Hassan and
Hussein. Both have a traceable line of male descendants
That would mean there is no direct patrilineal line to Mohammed, but rather, his grandfather.
“A mechanism called qiyafah, similar to an expert witness, existed at the time of the Prophet,” said Sheikh Musa Furber, a scholar in Islamic
law at the Abu Dhabi-based Tabah Foundation.
“The Prophet would send the people to an expert who can look at overall physical resemblance to deduce who might be the father. Today, instead of
qiyafah, we should consider DNA testing.”
Even though it is considered that Mohammed had no sons with his legal wives that does not mean he did not have sons outside of those wives.
There is another issue that arises in the Islamic tradition when using DNA to establish lineage: “Lineage, or nasab, in Islamic law assumes
lawful intercourse,” Sheikh Musa said. “But since a DNA test cannot prove lawful intercourse, it cannot stand as proof of lineage from a legal
That means any child born outside of the legal marriage, including to Mohammed, they would not be considered a child by lineage. That does not exclude
Muttah marriage children.
There is no way to determine who is descended from Mohammed. All of the supposition is based in oral tradition, but if Mohammed himself had no sons
then there will be absolutely no way of direct descent based on patrilineal DNA. It means the men tested share a common ancestor, only the oral legend
says it is Mohammed. If Mohammed never claimed any sons, then his patrilineal line ended. Fatima was his daughter and does not carry the Y Chromosome
in which the testing is based on. She had children, but her children would be directly descendent from her mother's matrilineal and Ibn Ali's
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