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Obama’s “Reset” Failure: Undetected Russian Sub in Gulf, Bombers in US Airspace

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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton touted their “reset” in Russian relations by conceding to Vladimir Putin and Dimitri Medvedev that they would unilaterally abrogate our agreement to install a missile-defense system for our Eastern European neighbors.

Since then, and after Russian obstruction of our peace efforts in Syria, aggression in Georgia, and aid to Iran, the Russian Bear has taken complete advantage of Obama’s perceived weakness by sending Russian attack subs into U.S. coastal waters and strategic bombers into U.S. airspace!

U.S. officials acknowledged that an Akula-class attack submarine spent a month undetected in the Gulf of Mexico this summer.

A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.
It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.
The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.
The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities—forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.

The latest submarine incursion in the Gulf further highlights the failure of the Obama administration’s “reset” policy of conciliatory actions designed to develop closer ties with Moscow.

Of the submarine activity, Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas), member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said, “It’s a confounding situation arising from a lack of leadership in our dealings with Moscow. While the president is touting our supposed ‘reset’ in relations with Russia, Vladimir Putin is actively working against American interests, whether it’s in Syria or here in our own backyard.”

freebeacon.com...

Shortly after Obama’s disgraceful concessions on missile defense, two Akula submarines were detected on patrol off the East Coast.

The last time an Akula submarine was known to be close to U.S. shores was 2009, when two Akulas were spotted patrolling off the east coast of the United States.
Those submarine patrols raised concerns at the time about a new Russian military assertiveness toward the United States, according to the New York Times, which first reported the 2009 Akula submarine activity.
The Pentagon and intelligence officials spoke anonymously to describe the effort to track the Russian submarines, which has not been publicly announced.
President Obama spoke by telephone with President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia on Tuesday, but it was not clear whether the subject of the submarines came up, although another source of friction between the two countries did. Mr. Medvedev called Mr. Obama to wish him a happy birthday and the White House said the president used the opportunity to urge Russia to work through diplomatic channels to resolve rising tensions with Georgia.

Russian Subs Patrolling Off East Coast of U.S.

This latest show of force comes after Russian bombers conducted exercises near Alaska missile sites and flew a bomber into U.S. airspace off California in July.


In June, Russian strategic nuclear bombers and support aircraft conducted a large-scale nuclear bomber exercise in the arctic. The exercise included simulated strikes on “enemy” strategic sites that defense officials say likely included notional attacks on U.S. missile defenses in Alaska.
Under the terms of the 2010 New START arms accord, such exercises require 14-day advanced notice of strategic bomber drills, and notification after the drills end. No such notification was given.
A second, alarming air incursion took place July 4 on the West Coast when a Bear H strategic bomber flew into U.S. airspace near California and was met by U.S. interceptor jets.
That incursion was said to have been a bomber incursion that has not been seen since before the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. officials say

The Russian naval and air force operations not only reflect Obama’s conciliatory attitude, but confirm his willingness to sacrifice U.S. safety and deterrence for political gain.

the possible overt military action calls into question the so-called “friendly” relationship President Obama believes he shares with a re-elected Russian President Vladimir Putin. At a March Nuclear Security Summit Obama was caught on a hot mike telling former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev “after my election, I’ll have more flexibility.”
That statement sent shock waves into the military world.

www.examiner.com...

Obama supplicants and dependents, look what you’ve done to my country.

jw




posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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The problem isn't that military spending has been cut (this is a good thing), it is that we are spending in the wrong places. Now that we've finally finished with Iraq, more of the budget will be free to spend in areas where we are lacking, such as littoral defense and NORAD.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Actually, I believe the first case like this a Soviet sub popped up off the Coast of Oregon in 1981 during the Reagan administration.

The Russians/Soviets and the Chinese have done this a few times from what I understand. It really has nothing to do with Obama or any other president.

I personally think that it's a way for these other countries to show how vulnerable we are when we stretch our military resources so far across the globe.

We should be defending our homes instead of fighting wars elsewhere.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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apparently on another thread about this same thread, the submarine did not actually enter the gulf or near it, more like the caribbean... check the 4th reply after OP here www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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I'm sorry but'

Russian obstruction of our peace efforts in Syria


Peace efforts??? The US and it's allies are the ones wreaking havoc in Syria....



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Norad is a joke Cheyenne Mountain the hub of "Norad" has been relegated to "standby status" when basically means shut down.

The nuclear trident of air,land,sea based ICBM's is a joke compared to what it use to be, that with the drastic nuclear reductions of the current administration put's this nation at greater risk that at any other time in world history.

That air element is comprised of B-52's that are over 60 years old, a hand full of land basesd systems and a hand ful of sea assets.

The current state of readiness is a joke which is why you see Russian, and Chinese getting too close to US waters. and why they ghost American naval ships at sea, and invade US airspace.

Hell after 9-11 there were Canadian jets patroling US skies because of the gutting of the US military, compound that with a decade of war, compound that with the current dude in the oval office who thinks social engineering is more important than national defense.

When I here people say we have the best military in the world that is pure arrogance and ignorance of what we use to have an edge that is no longer there.

And if things contnue we are doomed.

edit on 14-8-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Is anyone surprised? Obama and Clinton are communists. They are doing everything they can to financially ruin the U.S.

Remember Obama's off mike promise to Putin? He'll have a lot more wiggle room after he "wins" this election.

Maybe the Russians are thinking that maybe the american people aren't as stupid as they seem to be and they have to move in a little earlier? Maybe they aren't so sure Obama will win the election.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Obama is the biggest disapointment of my life, as far as the President goes. He is worse than Carter. I don't want Romney to win, but at least he doesn't seem naive enough to think that he can "reset" relations with every country on earth. I mean did it ever occur to him that our political relationships are the way they are for a reason? Lol like Iran was gonna turn over a new leaf because he wanted them to. Every one of these countries get treated the way they do for a reason.

Russians respect strength above all else, hence the fact they continually elect hard line strong leaders. If you show them strength, they will respect it, if you show them weakness they will exploit it. I thought this was common knowledge in America......oh ya that's right he isn't from.......lol sorry couldn't help it, he makes these jokes to easy, even if they are worn out and in bad taste



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Scamzarilla
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apparently on another thread about this same thread, the submarine did not actually enter the gulf or near it, more like the caribbean... check the 4th reply after OP here www.abovetopsecret.com...


Sorry, your "source" cites no source; it is merely speculation on his part.

However, a similar sub did sail through the Caribbean while in war games with Venezuela.

Russian navy conducts war games in Caribbean
Russian warships have arrived in the Caribbean for war games with Venezuela in their first military exercise in the region since the end of the Cold War.
Their arrival came on the eve of the first visit to Caracas by President Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian leader, who is due to meet his strategic ally President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday.

Venezuelan sailors greeted the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko with a 21-gun salute, while Russians sailors stood to attention on the deck in their dress uniforms.

The Russian flotilla, headed by the flagship, the nuclear powered cruiser Peter the Great, has timed its arrival to coincide with the latest leg of a by Mr Medvedev of South America, which has included Peru and Brazil and will finish with Cuba.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

jw



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
reply to post by jdub297
 

I'm sorry but'

Russian obstruction of our peace efforts in Syria

Peace efforts??? The US and it's allies are the ones wreaking havoc in Syria....


The U.S. has done nothing in Syria!
We've instead chosen to join the ineffectual whiners at the U.N.

"Efforts" was too strong a word for such an ineffective diplomacy as that of the Obama administration.

jw



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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We never hear about American subs and plains bussing Russia?
I would bet US stealth plains fly over Russia all the time.
The only true way to test stealth is to fly over Russia and see what happens.
Just like Russia is doing.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Hey! We got drones! Drones to spy on us, drones to shoot at middle eastern weddings and funerals, drones to follow guns across the Mexican .... Oh, I guess not.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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Im sorry but

cutting defense spending

and

ruining our countries financial system

do not correlate the way your suggesting.

Blowing so much money on the military is one of the things that IS ruining the financial status of this country.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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How is this a failure compared to the last administration and 9/11? Remember that? Remember the heads of agencies designed to protect us from foreign invaders being fired for the failures on 9/11, oh sorry that never happened did it?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:28 AM
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Anyone want another 4 years of this




posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
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How is this a failure compared to the last administration and 9/11? Remember that? Remember the heads of agencies designed to protect us from foreign invaders being fired for the failures on 9/11, oh sorry that never happened did it?

Sorry, but many who are guided by intelligence, rather than political demagoguery, lay the blame on the Clinton administration for the attacks.


In a stunning revelation made in his just released “Why America Slept: the Failure to Prevent 9/11” – Posner asserts the disaster of Sept. 11 could have been prevented and that President Clinton passed on more than one opportunity to arrest or kill Osama bin Laden.

Posner describes one incident in 1996 when Clinton passed on an easy opportunity to nab bin Laden.

“When bin Laden leaves the Sudan on a chartered commercial airliner with 150 of his top aides and his family, he goes to Qatar to refuel on his way to Pakistan,” Posner recounted to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly Wednesday night.

archive.newsmax.com...

When the New York Times is critical of a Democrat administration, something must be wrong.

Clinton Admin. Knew of 9/11 Hijackers

More than a year before the 9/11 attacks, Clinton administration intelligence officials had identified four of the 19 9/11 hijackers as a terrorist threat - including al-Qaida team leader Mohamed Atta and his partner Marwan al-Shehhi, whose planes destroyed the World Trade Center and killed over 2,700 people.

But the critical information was not acted on, at least in part, because of prohibitions against intelligence sharing implemented by former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who was reportedly installed in her post at the insistence of then-first lady Hillary Clinton.

In the summer of 2000, a military team, known as Able Danger, had prepared a chart that included visa photographs of Atta and al Shehhi and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Rep. Curt Weldon and a former intelligence official told the New York Times.

"We knew these were bad guys, and we wanted to do something about them," the former intelligence official said.

However, the recommendation was rejected and the information was not shared, in part, said the Times, because the four suspects had entered the United States on valid entry visas.

archive.newsmax.com...

You can be guided by what you wish were true, or you can be guided by facts.
Facts have long established that at least equal blame rests with Clinton's failure to act on intelligence.

jw



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:49 AM
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I am not sure this can be chalked up to President Obama. Though this doesn't mean it shouldn't be presented. What I read into is that the United States and Russia are still locked into a cat-n-mouse game in regards to projection of military power.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:28 AM
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The U.S. has done nothing in Syria!


U.S. supporting Rebels
FoxNews


Exactly what type of support the finding authorizes is also unclear. The Obama administration has ruled out arming the rebels for now, providing only nonlethal assistance, such as communications equipment

but

U.S. officials have told CNN that Washington is cooperating with countries that are arming the rebels, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to help find groups worthy of aid. Diplomatic sources have also said the United States is providing intelligence on Syrian troop movements, which is then passed to rebel groups.

also

"The time has come to consider and pick those groups that are most consistent with our interest and our vision for the future and begin to advantage them in terms of the internal politics, by providing assistance, including perhaps money as well as arms and advice," Dobbins said.

Is that what you call "ineffective diplomacy"?

Syria chemical weapons

President Barack Obama has warned Syria's President Bashar al-Assad that his government will be held accountable if it uses chemical weapons.

But who has supplied those chemicals?
Forgotten History

BRITAIN is supplying chemical warfare technology to 26 countries including Libya, Syria, Israel and Iran -- which was labelled part of the 'axis of evil' by the United States.


A Sunday Herald investigation has revealed that the UK is allowing the export of the lethal chemicals, which are illegal under international law and controlled under the chemical weapons convention because they can be used in weapons of mass destruction.


The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), which authorised the sales, has admitted that it does not know whether the exports will be used to create chemical weapons once they are exported, or not.

and still ongoing
Uk arms export

On the face of it, and in light of the widespread condemnation of Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, it might seem odd that the UK is still granting licences for the export of armoured 4x4 vehicles to Syria. Odder still that the UK government has permitted the sale of certain hazardous chemicals to Syria, too.


the U.S. does seem to make a pretty good job in helping Russia "obstructing" its peace efforts in Syria.
Rosoboronexport

As Business Insider notes, one of the Pentagon's latest contracts will deliver $171.4 million to Russian state-controlled arms dealer Rosoboronexport, lead supplier of weapons to the brutal regime in Syria.


US points finger


All in all and in regards to the OP, the generic east/west-cold war meme does not apply anymore, it actually never really has.
You're on ATS you should know better.
edit on 15-8-2012 by talklikeapirat because: grammar police



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
Norad is a joke Cheyenne Mountain the hub of "Norad" has been relegated to "standby status" when basically means shut down.

The nuclear trident of air,land,sea based ICBM's is a joke compared to what it use to be, that with the drastic nuclear reductions of the current administration put's this nation at greater risk that at any other time in world history.

That air element is comprised of B-52's that are over 60 years old, a hand full of land basesd systems and a hand ful of sea assets.

The current state of readiness is a joke which is why you see Russian, and Chinese getting too close to US waters. and why they ghost American naval ships at sea, and invade US airspace.

Hell after 9-11 there were Canadian jets patroling US skies because of the gutting of the US military, compound that with a decade of war, compound that with the current dude in the oval office who thinks social engineering is more important than national defense.

When I here people say we have the best military in the world that is pure arrogance and ignorance of what we use to have an edge that is no longer there.

And if things contnue we are doomed.

edit on 14-8-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)




America could blow up the world 1,000 times over.

It is covered



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Happy1
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Is anyone surprised? Obama and Clinton are communists. They are doing everything they can to financially ruin the U.S








Yet it took George W Bush to bring the economy to it's knees



So many of you are delusional







 
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