2012 and the spreading of hoax videos, page 1

A great number of videos have been posted int he 2012 forum purporting to show second suns. These videos are often poor quality, but not all. The videos show 4 things:

1. sun dogs
2. lens flares
3. images shot through windows
4. black zones

What is needed is a simple set of tests people can do if they encounter them personally as well as tests people can use when they encounter these videos. These tests should tell the individual what is being observed.

It should also be of interest to the people involved as to the effects a second Sun would have on the Earth and the solar system in general.

If you want to learn about sun dogs try:
www.atoptics.co.uk...

The ice halos are atmospheric. Sun dogs are not usually sharp disks in the sky. They are not close to the Sun. They do not move relative to the Sun as the camera moves.

Lens flares are seen in many movies and photos. They move relative to the Sun when the camera is moved. They are due to reflections inside of the camera.

A reflection inside of a window pane is due to the window being made of multiple layers of optical material. These reflections do not noticeably move relative to the Sun when the camera moves. That may not be the case if the window is significantly curved.

Black zones may appear across the surface of a bright object. This is a camera artifact as the camera overloads and prevents damage by grounding out the sensors in the camera. These are not objects in front of the Sun.

So what can you do to determine which of these objects is out there.
1. See if the object moves relative to the Sun as the camera moves.
2. Try a pin hole camera to image the Sun.
3. Look to see if an object casts shadows in different directions.
4. Step outside and stop looking through a window pane.
5. Check a solar observatory image in space or on the ground.

A recent example of a second Sun hoax is found in the following thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

More such hoaxes to be listed soon.

A website discussing some of the hoax videos posted on ATS

quinazagga.wordpress.com...

It provides an overview of:
1. lens flares
2. camera artifacts
3. atmospheric effects
4. image editing

Here is a video describing how anyone can produce these hoaxes. Watch and see how simple it is to do and if you have been fooled before, next time don't be fooled by this simple trick.

Threads that report second Suns or objects next to the Sun include:

Object near the Sun
www.abovetopsecret.com...

May 29 2012 - Most recent Nibiru/Planet X pictures - Very Clear!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is it possible for there to be two Suns in 2012?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Winged planet seen next to sun!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The goal of this thread is to provide tools to the members of ATS that can assist them in determining why the claims of second Suns are false. That includes identifying the objects as new planets, too.

Originally posted by stereologist
A recent example of a second Sun hoax is found in the following thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

More such hoaxes to be listed soon.

Is that a sun dog?

I google image searched sun dogs and couldn't find any pictures that are similar to that video.

reply to post by stereologist

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I prefer free will. Actions and consequences
What do you think OP, Free Country Live and Let Live?
Too much to ask?
Face it, what you do today, tests, measures, have no impact on what tomorrow brings. Many people each day have no tomorrows, right, OP?

P.S. no star, no flag

p.p.s. I starred your audience for you

reply to post by swoopaloop

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No it is not a sun dog. Sun dogs do not form discs very often. This is due to a reflection off a double paned glass in front of the camera. That is why the bright spot stays at the same angle relative to the Sun. It is not the same distance, but the same angle. The distinction is important.

The video I posted showing how to make a second Sun shows how to make this effect. Around 8 minutes into the video the person attaches 2 filters to the camera. They form a double pane of glass. The filters are screwed together to form 2 parallel glass panes. The inner filter is cross threaded onto the camera so that the panes are at a slight angle to the body of the camera and thus at a slight angle to the optical axis of the camera. The angle causes an offset of the reflection relative to the Sun.

reply to post by stereologist

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Ok so you're saying that the person recording was unable to see this with his naked eye. That it was a legitimate hoax. Probably the case. But what do you make of the orange above the supposed second sun?

reply to post by GameKeeper

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Someone should send this thread to NASA. They have the most knowledge about spreading and making hoax videos.

reply to post by swoopaloop

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Ok so you're saying that the person recording was unable to see this with his naked eye. That it was a legitimate hoax. Probably the case. But what do you make of the orange above the supposed second sun?

I think that the person making the video is a cheat. I think they did this on purpose. They intentionally made the video as a hoax. Lots of people do.

The orange is probably a lens flare. It does not move relative to the bright spot since the bright spot is fixed.

reply to post by GameKeeper

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you schills lend more credence to the second sun being real by creating posts like this.. if this were such a "hoax", would there be such a humongous amount of people trying to debunk this phenomenon?

"love, light and all that crap" - this here should tell you this persons intentions..

as for those of us who are paying attention, we will still spread the truth about the twin sun until the day it arrives. THIS THREAD IS A JOKE.

Thanks for the humorous comments. I really appreciate the effort it took to say so little.

If you think there is a second Sun out there can you demonstrate its existence with a pin hole camera? Use an alternate imaging modality to support your contention of the second Sun. Can you do that?

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

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Someone should send this thread to NASA. They have the most knowledge about spreading and making hoax videos.

Can you tell us about these hoax videos since I am not familiar with this?

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet when it comes to NASA. Were you fired by them? What has you so upset? It seems personal and not objective.

Here are more threads claiming to show Nibiru or a second Sun or whatever!

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Another Supposed Nibiru Sighting...From Kentucky,

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Photos Of Nibiru From Across The World!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...
For you Nibiru fans...a photo not of Nibiru

There sure are a lot of hoaxes floating around out there.

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