Corruption, lies, and the highly profitable "war on terror"

1978

Afghan civil war starts after a coup by the Peoples Democratic Party of Afghanistan.

en.wikipedia.org...(1978%E2%80%93present)

1979

Russia invades Afghanistan, to prop up its own interests, in the midst of the civil war.

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

1980’s

CIA supply and train the Mujahideen to fight the Soviet forces, specializing in bomb making and guerrilla warfare...

Frankenstein the CIA created

1988

Russia withdraws from Afghanistan and the USA stops all support to Afghanistan, leaving Afghanistan a war torn ruin.

1989

Mujahideen morphs into Al Quada, led by Osama Bin Laden/

Al-Qaeda's origins and links

1994

The Bin Laden family invest in the Carlyle Group (Who has George Bush Senior on their payroll)

The ex-presidents' club

The Carlyle Group: The Big Boys of Private Equity

The Carlyle Group has become known for employing (sometimes controversially) a who’s who of former political leaders from around the globe in a variety of capacities, including former US President George H.W. Bush (Senior Advisor on the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board, 1998 to 2003), former US Secretary of State James Baker III (Carlyle Senior Counselor, 1993 to 2005), former US Secretary of Defense Frank Charles Carlucci III (Chairman,1992-2003; and Chairman Emeritus until 2005), and former British Prime Minister John Major (Chairman of Carlyle Europe, 2002 until 2005).

1997

Carlyle group acquires united defence industries, massively increasing its defence business.

United Defense Industries

2001

Sept 11th – 19 Al Quada terrorists attack the world trade centre killing 2996 people. 15 of the 19 attackers are Saudi nationals.

Official: 15 of 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi

Sept 13th – With most of the USA’s civilian flights grounded, six chartered flights with 142 people of mostly Saudi Arabian nationals (including member of the Bin Laden family) are allowed to leave the USA.

www.nytimes.com...

Oct 7th - USA and its Allies invade Afghanistan.

Dec – United Defence Industries goes public on the NY Stock Exchange.

2003

USA and its Allies invade Iraq (even though Iraq had nothing to do with 911)

2004

Carlyle Group sells all of its United Defence stock.

defense-ventures.com...

Ultimately, the Carlyle Group profited US$1 billion from United Defense through recaps, dividends, and the IPO before completely cashing out in 2004 when British aerospace and defense giant BEA Systems purchased the entire company for US$4.2 billion.

2011

Protests in Syria over the release of political prisoners.

2012

July - Syria declared to be in a state of civil war. Rebel fighters are being backed up by Al Quada.

Al-Qaeda flags fly over rebel-held Syria

Al Qaeda and other extremists aiding Syrian Rebels

August – Britain pledges £5m to Anti Assad rebels in Syria (affectively supporting Al Quada)

www.channel4.com...



Starting to see a pattern yet?


Looking at this timeline of events... how can anyone believe what the PTB say or do?!?
Next time there is a report on the news about our troops, in a foreign land, getting hit with an IED, or caught in an ambush, should we really be angry with Taliban or other “enemy” forces?

Maybe we should be angry with our own governments and politicians who have vested financial interests in these wars and prospers from others misery. They play their games, spread their lies, convince us that what they do is for our best interests... all the while lining their own pockets. This year’s friend is next year’s enemy and next year’s enemy is a future Ally!! It’s all smoke and mirrors.

But people will still believe it! People will still take their side... So wrapped up in the protective bubble created by the PTB. The question is... how do we pop this bubble?

Peace

thank you. This is AQ timeline.

15 of the 19 attackers are Saudi nationals.

Sept 14th - George Bush declares war on Afghanistan.

how ?

Is this discovered recently?

reply to post by Muckster


I get sick of hearing those reports. I really don't give a damn who has been killed. They deserved it for fighting for corporate greed. As long as the military do that, I have no respect for them whatsoever, and if that makes me a disgusting, hated person (i've been called worse too), then so be it.

Originally posted by mideast
thank you. This is AQ timeline.

15 of the 19 attackers are Saudi nationals.

Sept 14th - George Bush declares war on Afghanistan.

how ?

Is this discovered recently?

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Sorry... corrected

15 of the 19 attackers are Saudi nationals.

Sept 14th - George Bush declares war on Afghanistan.

The Taliban which controlled Afghanistan were providing Bin Laden with sanctuary.

Most Afghans were happy to see the back of the Taliban. Sadly, the West has been outspent in Afghanistan by the rich oil producing state(s).

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by Muckster

 

I get sick of hearing those reports. I really don't give a damn who has been killed. They deserved it for fighting for corporate greed. As long as the military do that, I have no respect for them whatsoever, and if that makes me a disgusting, hated person (i've been called worse too), then so be it.

While i can understand your frustration at the situation but i really hate no one and do not want anyone to die.

I know really good and decent people who have simply been blinded by the propaganda machine. I just want to open their eyes and hopefully prevent further loss of life. Hopefully, if peoples eye are opened they while be less likely to allow their children to march off to war.

Peace

On this Day in History - October 07 2001

On this day in 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces.

Not sure about your Sept 14 Quote

Sept 14th - USA and its Allies invade Afghanistan.

US-led attack on Afganistan

Just like Firefly (Above) I find it hard to have any sympathy for any deaths in any Invading Force.

Also using the word "Hero" for every US Soldier killed there is not appropriate.

Well, war has been known to stimulate the economy for a long time. It's been that way for thousands of years. It also cuts the population of a country and cutting the population gives the survivor more money. Trouble is that won't work, the survivors will inherit more national debt when this happens now in America. Maybe the government will start seizing all the assets of the conservative people to pay it's debt. Seems like all the cons around the world are trying to take away everyone's money, might as well have the government take it instead to pay their debt.

Originally posted by Muckster
Looking at this timeline of events... how can anyone believe what the PTB say or do?!?
Next time there is a report on the news about our troops, in a foreign land, getting hit with an IED, or caught in an ambush, should we really be angry with Taliban or other “enemy” forces?

While I agree that we can't trust the media and that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on, sadly the Taliban have their own agenda and are very much real.

So, yes, I do blame the Taliban when our forces get hit with an IED or caught in an ambush.

Perhaps you should fly over there and have a conversation with the Taliban and bounce some of your ideas off of them?

I'm sure it would end well...

Some still say "No conspiracy here."
I'd love to know the real net worth
of Cheney and Rumsfeld pre 911 vs post.
And sure they had Blackwater on speed dial.
For whatever they needed.
It was a conspiracy. Cut and Dry.
Almost everyone knows it but apparently,
and luckily for them, nobody is willing to prosecute.

reply to post by ollncasino

While I agree that we can't trust the media and that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on, sadly the Taliban have their own agenda and are very much real.

Yes, I do blame the Taliban when our forces get hit with an IED or caught in an ambush.

Perhaps you should fly over there and have a conversation with the Taliban and bounce some of your ideas off of them?

I'm sure it would end well...

Please don't mistake this thread, or me, for being pro Taliban. But, regardless of if they are horrible people or not, our Governments trained them, funded them, helped to cause the mess in Afghanistan, blamed them, waged war on them, profited from them, and is now funding them again... its a joke.

Before anyone can look outwards they need to look inwards... we can hardly throw stones at other nations when our own countries are in such a mess.

Peace

reply to post by Pedro4077


Many thanks... Not sure where i got Sept date from

Corrected

reply to post by Muckster

Please don't mistake this thread, or me, for being pro Taliban. But, regardless of if they are horrible people or not, our Governments trained them, funded them, helped to cause the mess in Afghanistan, blamed them, waged war on them, profited from them, and is now funding them again... its a joke.

I think they are animals, especially their treatment of women, but it is their country and their rules.

There are dozens of other countries worldwide that are just as bad or even worse, but no intervention?

Funny how no invasion of Saudi Arabia happened when most of the "terrorist" were said to come from there.

What??? You mean that there is no politics going on in Washington just business?

I suppose you would go on to suggest the crazy notion that our politicians would care more about Money than their political ideals?
No way is that even remotely possible, politicians have demonstrated how moral and uncorrupted they are time and time again. Well at least my political party is above the temptation of money , its the other party we got to worry about, and all cost we must overtake them before DOOM sets in.
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Originally posted by Muckster
1978


Maybe we should be angry with our own governments and politicians who have vested financial interests in these wars and prospers from others misery. They play their games, spread their lies, convince us that what they do is for our best interests... all the while lining their own pockets. This year’s friend is next year’s enemy and next year’s enemy is a future Ally!! It’s all smoke and mirrors.

But people will still believe it! People will still take their side... So wrapped up in the protective bubble created by the PTB. The question is... how do we pop this bubble?

Peace

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edit on 14-8-2012 by Muckster because: (no reason given)

edit on 14-8-2012 by Muckster because: (no reason given)

War has never been profitable. Never will be. You lose manpower. Lose money. Lose foreign reputation. Look at how much money the US has spent in the war on terror. You can't just blame the government, since most of the money they take goes back into the wars.

reply to post by RimDaas

War has never been profitable. Never will be. You lose manpower. Lose money. Lose foreign reputation. Look at how much money the US has spent in the war on terror. You can't just blame the government, since most of the money they take goes back into the wars.

Not the Government as a whole, so much as the individual politicians. They invest private funds into arms companies, oil companies, construction companies, etc...
During a war you sell more weapons, after the war you grab the oil and construction contracts.
That’s how they make their money... War has always been highly profitable for the elite few and highly costly for the masses...

Also, countries that produce weapons sell those weapons to other countries... USA sells arms to Israel, Japan, South Korea, Britain, Germany, Turkey etc...

War and conflict is highly profitable when you have an established arms industry. War also gives you an opportunity to try out new tech and show off to the world...sadly there’s no bigger advert than a war

And that not even considering that War normally means regime change!! Often one that’s more favourable to the victor... This means many other types of contracts being won... Suddenly, a nation that once had its own little thriving business's of restaurants, coffee shops, tailors, butchers, finds it has to compete with foreign shops opening up on their high streets!! Suddenly a McDonalds pops up... then maybe a GAP... then maybe a Walmart owned chains... etc...

reply to post by Muckster


The thing is there were people who were normally good who got caught up in the riots last year, and ended up in prison because of it. They got what they deserved. Being caught up in the moment, or being brainwashed by propaganda, is really no excuse. We have brains, and if we do not use them properly, then we deserve the consequences of our actions. I've made many mistakes that I could have avoided by thinking properly in my life and am still paying for some of them.

reply to post by Firefly_


But if you are born into a family of a certain mindset, and you’ve been raised with a certain attitude, it is very hard to break out of it... Especially when society is telling you it is the right way.

And this applies to the rioters... many raised by materialistic families who blame everyone around them for their woes... Reinforced by the media constantly telling them that their value in life is judged by the material possessions they own and that bad boys are cool... And then we wonder why they rob and loot?! They are wrong... of course... but you can't feed people a diet of crap and expect them to grow up healthy (metaphorically speaking)

It seems that these days the normal people are a few strong willed individuals who can see through the crap... the rest have bought into the bubble.

Peace

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by RimDaas

 

War has never been profitable. Never will be. You lose manpower. Lose money. Lose foreign reputation. Look at how much money the US has spent in the war on terror. You can't just blame the government, since most of the money they take goes back into the wars.

And that not even considering that War normally means regime change!! Often one that’s more favourable to the victor... This means many other types of contracts being won... Suddenly, a nation that once had its own little thriving business's of restaurants, coffee shops, tailors, butchers, finds it has to compete with foreign shops opening up on their high streets!! Suddenly a McDonalds pops up... then maybe a GAP... then maybe a Walmart owned chains... etc...

If you look at wars such as WWII or countries which have been ravaged by wars, the working populace usually ends up on the front lines, caught in the battle. This will harm the restaurants and coffee shops and all the other businesses and that stagnates growth.

reply to post by RimDaas

If you look at wars such as WWII or countries which have been ravaged by wars, the working populace usually ends up on the front lines, caught in the battle. This will harm the restaurants and coffee shops and all the other businesses and that stagnates growth.

And who rebuilds them? How many American burger chains, clothes shops, and other businesses do you think were thriving in Japan pre WW2?

Besides we are no longer talking about wars were two evenly (or almost evenly) matched sides battle it out. We are talking about superpowers picking on smaller nations to steal their resources or for individuals in power to make a profit. Small conflicts under the guise of "improving their lives" or "protecting us from Terror"

These wars, while costly to a nation in the sense of human life and short term economic cost, are massively profitable to the individuals who invest in the right areas... And the long term outlook for the victors is far more positive.

One of the best things to ever happen to the USA (Economically) was WW2

For the United States, World War II and the Great Depression constituted the most important economic event of the twentieth century. The war's effects were varied and far-reaching. The war decisively ended the depression itself. The federal government emerged from the war as a potent economic actor, able to regulate economic activity and to partially control the economy through spending and consumption. American industry was revitalized by the war, and many sectors were by 1945 either sharply oriented to defense production (for example, aerospace and electronics) or completely dependent on it (atomic energy).

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