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22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."
To choose not to follow the teachings of Jesus in its literal context is to deny him and the Father. The mainstream Christianity is doing exactly the same thing, they keep pointing to the Old testaments and Paul to find a loophole to their carnal desires to which they are desperately addicted to.
In essence, many Christians today are actually antichrists. The teachings of Jesus is not really hard to follow if you only had few things in this life and if the world hates you. I'm sorry but that is what Jesus teaches, that the rich, those who had those good things in this world, the love of the world, will find it very difficult to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. They have grown too dependent and addicted to that they could no longer forsake it.
Originally posted by Deetermined
First of all, Paul never denied that Jesus was the Christ. It was because of Paul's encounter with the Holy Spirit that he stopped persecuting Christians and became one of them instead. Do you know your Bible?
Secondly, no matter how much you try to point out that the Old Testament and Paul provides a "loophole" to carnal desires, you are wrong. Even Paul said that money was the root of all evil. I have absolutely no idea where you keep getting these ideas. It is not Biblical.
I have a question, Where are you getting Jesus teachings from?
There's not even a mention of a book/scripture here for wisdom. To Jesus and his followers, books or scriptures was never that important to even matter to our salvation, only to Paul it did.
The New Testament is rife with contradictions between Jesus and Paul. God and the Holy Spirit never changes. So one has to be wrong, who's teachings will you choose?
Originally posted by Deetermined
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And yet, out of every thread I've seen you in, I've never seen you post quotes from Paul out of the Bible that actually contradicted what Jesus said. I have news for you. The Holy Spirit comes when you read the Bible, from which the Holy Spirit is taught and written about. It doesn't come to you while you're reading commentary on other people's thoughts about it. [
Two canons of Jewish scriptures developed in the years after the Babylonian Exile (mid-sixth century BCE). Palestinian Jews (including Jesus and his disciples), whose language was Aramaic, came to recognize twenty-four books as sacred.
By the mid-second century BCE, Jewish communities had generally settled the canon of scriptures organized in three sections: the Law (Torah), the Prophets, and the Writings (Hebrew, ketûbîm, translated into Greek as hagiographa). The Torah, what Christians call the Pentateuch, consists of mythic, historical, and legal writings, the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The Prophets consists of two groups: the Former Prophets (the historical accounts of prophetic activity in Joshua, Judges, 1 and 2 Samuel, and 1 and 2 Kings) and the Latter Prophets (actual prophetic books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habbakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi). The Writings include poetry (Psalms, Proverbs, Job), the Five Scrolls (Song of Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, and Esther), the apocalyptic prophecy of Daniel, and history (1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah).
Scripture-based debunking of Paul's teachings here:
Originally posted by ahnggk
Jesus is probably referring to the Book of Enoch. This is the only scripture that preceded the arrival of Jesus and also foretold His being born of a man.
Originally posted by fireyaguns
Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus.
When I read in chapter 1:9 of the Book of Enoch that an angel named Phanuel is "set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life" ... I knew the Book of Enoch was fraudulent.