Originally posted by Deetermined
First of all, Paul never denied that Jesus was the Christ. It was because of Paul's encounter with the Holy Spirit that he stopped persecuting
Christians and became one of them instead. Do you know your Bible?
Secondly, no matter how much you try to point out that the Old Testament and Paul provides a "loophole" to carnal desires, you are wrong. Even Paul
said that money was the root of all evil. I have absolutely no idea where you keep getting these ideas. It is not Biblical.
It is not Biblical indeed. Jesus never said anything about a book for the source of truth but the Holy Spirit. The Bible is only one place to look
It is easy to say that Jesus is the Christ(savior, messiah, etc). But to truly believe Jesus as the Savior is also to believe and to do that what he
teaches is what will save you.
What do you think would have happened if the disciples got killed before Jesus was crucified? Will they all go to hell?
I'm pretty sure you'll find it very annoying if someone comes to you, praising your name, groveling at your feet thinking your the greatest person
that ever lived. Then you ask him/her, "what are my hobbies?" "What are the things I love to do?" "Do you love and do these things as well?" "Do you
know the things I hate?". Then that person replies "I have no idea". Would it seem like that person is just embarrassing you?? Would you rather
want to drive that person away?
What if Jesus asked you the same things? Though you praise him in the church, you keep proclaiming Jesus is Christ. But Jesus would ask, do you love
and do the things I love to do, do you hate and despise the things I hate?
Paul is actually contradicting himself or even confusing modern day Christians about money. Even this verse is contradiction against the teachings of
Jesus (source of truth through the Holy Spirit, not though a book!)
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Not everything in scripture treats money/wealth/possessions as bad, in fact, something good and to be happy about, something good to welcome in your
houses. God and the Holy Spirit never changes. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
The Bible warns about double-mindedness being not of God (and the Holy Spirit)
"5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."
There's not even a mention of a book/scripture here for wisdom. To Jesus and his followers, books or scriptures was never that important to even
matter to our salvation, only to Paul it did.
The New Testament is rife with contradictions between Jesus and Paul. God and the Holy Spirit never changes. So one has to be wrong, who's teachings
will you choose?
I have a question, Where are you getting Jesus teachings from?
From the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth from everything, from reading, from hearing, from internet, from other
people, from nature, from animals (I don't talk to animals but their actions speak louder than words!)
I also found significant amount of truth in the secular information from ATS. I rarely got into religions subforum during my first few years in ATS.
I am much more interested in the General Conspiracies, and Fragile Earth subforums back then. It is there that I have deduced that great amount of
suffering and misery is being inflicted to God's creations through mankind's worldly activities, building, manufacturing, extraction, etc. To be a
part of this system is to help perpetuate this destructive works against God's creations.
I am also a keen observer of nature and animals. I have known a lot of these before ever getting into the Bible. I started in the Old Testament, I
was filled disgust until I got to the teachings of Jesus which I loved so much, then the teachings of Paul brought much confusion and complication.
I have hated the world early on but not as much as now. It's my observation from school, and work that people that the greatest liars are also the
most successful in this system. Sucking up is lying. People do favors for another not out of love but for selfish gains, again this lying,
1 John 2:15
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him"
Love the world, you drive God's love (Holy Spirit) away. The Holy Spirit will guide you to the truth.
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